A Serious Post About the Test
You can use this post to ask LEGIT questions about the test and hopefully, someone has looked up the answer or sought out the correct information so we can all see how close we were to what they might be looking for.
Please try to refrain from other stuff here. There are plenty of other posts for you to run amok in. Let's see if we can keep it on subject.
Please try to refrain from other stuff here. There are plenty of other posts for you to run amok in. Let's see if we can keep it on subject.
posted by SCC at 8:20 PM
91 Comments:
NUMERO UNO!! Good Luck Everyone!
Studying is done, test is over...time to move on.
I thought the test was relatively easy, but I spent too much time on that stupid caps map and ended up having to rush through the last couple pages probably forgetting to add stuff that I knew just because I was rushing to finish. I was disappointed in the fact that I guess you had to memorize all the ucr codes because the sex offense case report classification was wrong but I had no clue what the correct number was. Also why wouldn't the proctors give me the copy page of the scantron test?
Call your Sponsor.....
does anyone know what the answer was for the question regarding the off duty p.o. that was arrested for beating his wife and he tells you, the on-scene sgt, about how bad his life is- what can you do to help him? besides recommend counseling.
How about recomending a lawyer
I would suggest he hire a hit man
How about the first question on the scantron about the copper requesting a dispersal event that wasn't in the hotspot?
I put refuse number but i think i might have read into the question to much.
you dont have to be in a hot spot or doc to get a dispersal
for po locked up for domestic after you tell him about all the counseling and programs out there you need to inform him that since he made a spontaneous statement to you that now you have to add his statements to a gocr supp. and the cr#
they have be in designated spots
Legal Bulliten 2002-05 states they have to be in a designated area to be dispersed.
hmmm.based on the video and the revised ordinances you can use suspects actions, beat knowledge, beat file etc. to justify a dispersal anywhere...damn they changed it on me again
I put notify the w/c and have the p.o. transported to the degsinated hospital that has a mental facility
I believe only the supt. or 1st dep can degsinate a location a hot sot on thier weekly fridays exempt meetings
most likely overlooked notifications/actions for domestic po
document in supervisors log,document in major incident log, notify news affairs, notify iad(in conjunction with ops, iad has to strip the po, ops cant), notify po's watch commander, call for e.t.
chew on this brothers and sisters...the new "notify the watch commander' is..."notify news affairs"
i've been thinking...i think i overlooked situations to notify/call the field lt. to the scene
Anyone have a clue on what they might of been looking on the scenerio w/the two females from the burglary and after the foot chases they find the windshield to the squad broken.What needed to be done there?????
rules wise damage to vehicle report,notify motor maintenance...i added call for e.t. for photographs of car for the hell of it they wont deduct points if you threw that in so why not i say
MMD takes their own photos for routine vehicle damage. ETs will not unless there are extenuating circumstances.
Also have a tow report completed and have the vehicle towed since you cant operate a motor vehicle with a damaged winshield
they dont say if the crack /damage exceeds 6inches which according to municipal code makes it a violation to operate not that its cracked or damaged alone. i added e.t. like i said for the hell of it because i really dont know how the consultants and 'select' command staff are really thinking."hey! a crime was committed.against a squad car of this fine department in this fine city.get a e.t. out there to document this heinous crime!!!"
didn't it say immediate actions to be taken for vehicle damage. I put:
1. attempt to identify offenders by completing a canvas.
2.ensure that the vehicle is secured
3.ensure a officer is assigned to guard vehicle until a tow can be ordered.
the second half said something to the effect of what reports need to be completed for damage.
What about these questions: What you would tell the lady with the kid maybe hanging out with gangbangers? or What would you tell the P.O. after he tells you he's got a drinking problem? Those were some questions that made no sense to be on a test. Is there a G.O./rules that states what you should tell these people? If not then it's all in what you think is right. So how can it be graded right or wrong? Kinda like the 5 questions you ask the 82 year old dementia guy's family. Totally fucked up question.
Does anyone who took either Roberts or Beirstein class think they were well prepared for this test?
NERDS
They said there was glass on the seats. Safety issue if you order P.O. to drive the car off. I thought order a tow and have a car sit on it till the tow truck gets there.
i hope everyone wrote down "notify news affairs" for the first part for all those different incidents/crimes.
06/24/06 11:40:18
dogass bitch boy. we are trying to discuss the questions and the answers to the test. we dont need your useless comments on this post
Ok, who gave Mohammad a case report for getting motherfucked?
Real life: Go scratch, Mohammad.
Test life: Give a report for a non criminal incident?
Guys, no need to fill out a tow case report for a squad car.
yup, non-criminal incident motivated by hate.your job as a sergeant is to protect the city and department against liabilty. just like on part one you are suppose to generate a case report for the retail theft on the senile old guy. i say we all make these case reports anytime a mutt says something about the 'bitch ass white police'
I'll agree, test was a joke (as usual) no way in hell you'd be able to get everything right even if you were a house mouse studying for a year. The only way of coming close is.....here ya go study these General Orders wink wink, I really think you need to look over these orders wink wink. Berstein was a good class, but from the questions asked today he did'nt scratch the surface as well I thought he would. Lets be honest, the only way this testing process is gonna be legit is to eliminate this 30% merit crap (although there are alot of people who really do deserve it!) cause the last time I checked the definition of merit doesnt read "see clout". Lawsuit is in order and an overhaul of who's making the tests cause lets be honest, there are some really dumb fuckers out there that score extremely well and its kinda obvious that SOMEONE is telling people what to study. I know it sounds like jealousy to some but lets be fair and whats rht is right. Good luck to everyone and be safe.
fromagoodhardworkingPOjustlikeyou.
I Pray that Hand Job from 017 3rd watch doesnt pass!!
Use your resources wisely, guys. I made the lady's gangbanger son go babysit the old dementia guy after school and water his garden while cleaning up the glass from the squad car and wrapping up the PO's twisted ankle since she didn't want medical attention. Ha! Who's number one now?!
you dont have to be in a hot spot or doc to get a dispersal
dispatchers says its not level 2 doc or in hot spot...a sgt can override it and they can give out the number..
You have to do the dispersals in the designated hot-spots. If your district has a Level 2 DOC area, you can do a dispersal ANYWHERE within that Level 2 DOC. If your district is not in the Level 2 DOC, you can only do the dispersals in the designated hot-spots.
10 yrs as a Sgt & still counting...BEYOOOTCH!!
That test was not legit. Unless you are a CAPS faggot hiding from the streets-you aren't going to know squat about being the touchy feely police. Those of us who work as REAL POLICE got screwed again by the people who don't want our ugly mugs in White shite. Fuck the test and fuck those who call it a legit assessment of a police sergeant!!!
I disagree. I believe the exam exemplified the way a sgt should be. After all of my many hours of studying for it behind the desk in 009, I felt that I was over prepared to tackle the job of being a sergeant. Sooooo fella, if you're not careful...This 009th district copper will be your BOSS one day. I am both a street cop as well as house mouse...You had better watch who you call "faggot" Son!
10:06
You have the nerve to gripe about guys working the CAPS office? You suck! You suck! You're an idiot!
You don't understand how important we are to each district. CAPS is the way to go Neanderthal! Why don't you try working the ICAM procedural issues and dealing with angry citizens when they call to complain against-YOU! Yes YOU-the beat cop who gets himself into trouble with his mouth. Calling someone a faggot is hurtful and simply unforgivable. Try to do our job in CAPS-you'll see dedication and resolve. You simpleton!!!
10:12 Uh Uh pal...You stirred up a house mouse. Not good asshat!!!
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the Bernstein class screwed everything up. didn't prepare you for shit and their subject matter expert joe from the sixth district was a retard
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Bernstein was just featured on on ESPN's World Series of BlackJack. His Buy-in thanks to CPD.
For the last 17 years the city has been giving tests for jobs and now we've just learned that it was all a big joke. Not one person got hired legit from those tests. Do you really think the Police Department is any different. Just because the city has to recruit to get people to come on the job a lot of you think this job is legit. It kills me.
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Did John Roberts offer a class for the Sgt exam, too? If so, can people who took his class and Berstein's chime in on how well they thought they were prepared?
I was a student in the CJR group. I have to say that alot of what we covered (which was everything that all candidates were instructed to cover in the Guide that candidates picked up for part 2)was on the exam.
I'm glad I took the class. It was a good investment. The other questions that were not covered in the class were fortunately ones that my additional studying covered. Unfortunately I didn't answer every question correctly. As for your question about John Roberts class - Good class.
What did you think about the choices of what a Sgt. would do regarding the 82 year old man found sleeping in the car? Any thoughts on that?
did nayone here NOT finish yhe first part?? I didnt..spent too much time of the CAPS crap
For immediate actions after 82 year old was found:
1. Clear Cars
2. Notify Missing Persons
3. Seek Medical Attention
4. Notify family
I selected some of those. I also selected: talk with family about getting him a medical ID. Oops.
What about the priority Beat problems? I didn't realize the map was part of the scenario until after I'd filled it out. Anyone else have that issue?
I don't know but I think its likely alot of people got hung up on the CAPS stuff and ran out of time to adequately answer the remaining questions on Parts 1,2. I don't know.... just a theory.
Did anyone catch that you were supposed to send the injured PO and the offender to the hospital?
What about the criminal sexual abuse case report errors?
Can a business be listed as a vitim first when you have a real victim? Shouldn't they both be listed? And what about the witness in the narrative? She should have been listed as a witness.
So now when they make the new Sgts, how are they gonna handle a HazMat, HBT, School Violence Incident Plan (SVIP), Police Shooting, DUIs, etc... i really don't understand theses tests. CAPS was ok, but too long (wasted a lot of time and had to rush towards the end of part I).
I guess we're just gonna have to sit and wait a few months while they correct these tests. Don't be surprised when the list comes out- you're gonna see some names on these and you're gonna think to yourself "What the Fuck!"
way to keep on post idiots. was this test all of a sudden the new way they do things? NO. each promotional test is based on bullshit.
You just aware of it now? where have you all been?
cant wait to hear about how poorly you did and got passed over by every clout person. in fact every sgt. must have made it by clout.
getting back to the test, i think 12:58 is write about the useless case report. this city is so fucked up they want you to complete silly reports
opps, excuse me i mean "right"
TROLL's trying to knock blog off. Hope all who deserve to be promoted and work smart get their opportunity to change shirt's. Good luck to all of you.
I think the test was good, unfortunately I think I may have written wrong answers on some of the questions. I should have memorized the GO's better. If you think the test was a joke your wrong, just blame yourself for not studying well enough. After the test I went back to the GO's and had seen where I errored. Next test Ill do better. I guarantee it. Those of us that are on sons and daughters of supervisors need to score within the top 5%.
All of the comments about clout and merit stuff may be true however there are still officers out here who try and have not become jaded, and whom also have more than 10 years on the job.
We took the test. We are trying to get feedback on THAT. Not racism, scapegoating, or other personal baggage. It seems hypocritical that you cannot respect the non-clout and non-merit officers who are obviously the ones on this post trying to get info on the test material.
If you REALLY are in our corner. Please stop the silly posts.
Thanks.
To 6/25/2006 02:49:54 PM,
Surely, you don't think any sergeant worth his salt is going to squander an opportunity like this, do you? Fuck the geezer! Make it a CTTV, but try real hard to get Burglary! Was the glove box open? Fantastic! Felony charges approved 1920 hrs. ASA Softasshit, send it to Branch 44-2. You gotta think quick if you're going to be management!
to 6/25/06 at 10:46 am: you couldn't afford to live in west beverly you Mt. greenwood hillbilly!!!!!!!
the question about dropping baby at station was in the sign up materials if you did at least that you got one right
to 6/25/06 at 10:46 am: you couldn't afford to live in west beverly you Mt. greenwood hillbilly!!!!!!!
6/25/2006 07:23:28 PM
Can't afford to live in west beverly?? You're bragging about living in "west beverly". Boy, you've really hit the big time! You are a HAND-JOB!!!
Hey 4:54, do u feel better now? Good...now be quiet you tool.
1. What you do when u find the 82 yr old
a. medical aid
b. cancel flash
c. Notify Missing Persons
d. Notify family
(Not to clear cars)
3:10
I didn't even come close to finishing part 1. sad too, since pursuits are a simple matter.
lost alot of points on on the simple stuff, due to waisting time on the caps crap.
sad thing when one realizes that caps is dead. with the exception of beat integrity (which really only appplies to the dispatchers), the DOC has replaced that which caps was intended to do.
Anyone know the correct answer to the multiple choice question about the narcotics inventoried in a property bag instead of narc. bag without a case report attached. 1. Keep the dope in origional bag and get a copy of the case to go with it. 2. Call the P.O. at home and have him come back. 3. Have a P.O. on the street re-do it getting a new inventory number. I answered #1 thought it was better to keep the dope in the bag the officer put it in that he and his desk Sgt. signed and not break the chain of evidence.
Anyone know the correct answer to the multiple choice question about the narcotics inventoried in a property bag instead of narc. bag without a case report attached.
2. Call the P.O. at home and have him come back.
Technically that would be the answer, because in the wrong bag, it will never be picked up by ERPS. However, they're not going to call him in and make him come back realistically, they'll wait until his next work day and ask him to fix it then.
And any question on the Hate Crime situations. You'd have to submit an information report to the Civil Rights Section. Otherwise, call the W/C and get approval for a hate crime. PO / SGT cannot make decisions on a hate crime, a W/C does, because a package has to be completed if anything is classified as a hate crime these days.
How about these questions?
What Dept resources do you show the community in the Caps questions?
Did they mean ICAM, CLEAR, reports from the review officer, detective reports, old beat meeting reports etc.
What do u tell the mom who thinks her kid is in the gang? After school programs, Church programs, police explorers etc...
What things do you do to find the old man?
Top 3 thinks you do in the Domestic?
Arrest the offender, medical attention, protect crime scene? Any
other ideas?
What do you tell the cop whos a drunk?
Profeessional Counseling what else?
Did you CR the female who was observed by a witness pistol whipping the burglar? I said yes.
When they asked you about the balanicng test did you apply all the ones stated in the order or only the ones pertinent to the scenario?
Location, reason, speed, traffic, weather etc.
Whats the correct answer for the inventory?
ANSWER BACK WITH YOUR INFO, so we are all ready 5 years from now when I have to take it again>>>>>
Just so you know 5:32 your answer to the hate crime is wrong, the correct answer is a case report ( non-criminal) it goes on a GOCR. Why would you call the W/C for approval the cabbie said he did nothing illegal he just used a racial slur. And the narcotics was to place it in a bag and attach the case report to it not call the copper at home, what if he wasn't home then what? You can't wait for him to come in the next day, what if he is on furlo for 30 days then what? And I don't know if anyone knows this but the multiple choice ?'s were worth 2 points for the best answer, 1 for the next best and zero for the other one.
Anyone SPAR the Officer for continue chasing a PSMV,going thru signs & lights?
Anonymous said...
Anyone SPAR the Officer for continue chasing a PSMV,going thru signs & lights?
6/26/2006 11:44:17 AM
You can't SPAR a PO for fucking up during a pursuit.
Check the order.
Anonymous said...
Anyone SPAR the Officer for continue chasing a PSMV,going thru signs & lights?
6/26/2006 11:44:17 AM
You can't SPAR a PO for fucking up during a pursuit.
Check the order.
It's a cr# for failure to terminate the chase/follow a direct order........
Landlord evicts tenant. Landlord smacks tenant. What are your next steps?
I forget if this was written answer or multiple guess.
Other than making arest - what?
Test was worded funny. It clearly stated that aside from the reports and notifications, what would you do immediatley?
Do you think they will deduct points for answers that they did not ask for.
For example, If some wrote a list of twenty thing and five were correct and fifteen were simply bullshit, is that counted against the score.
Like " I would ensure the following - render first aid, paint the fence, secure scene, intiate CR, walk the dog...
Some is just silly
If not, why not just write a list of thenty five actions you would take on every situation
Like this-
Notify: If needed -
Lt, W.C., Desk, OEMC,1st deputy, News Affairs, F.D., Gangs, Area Detectives (SVU,HGS,RBT,etc.)C.T.A., C.P.S.,I.A.D., O.P.S.
Board of Ed.,E.T./Crime Lab,Human Services, IDCFS, B & A, M.E.Gun Reg, CCSA, MAIU, Etc,
Some would apply, some wouldn't.
Whatever.
Get spell check on this blog
mothar fukers
on the written part they dont take away for wrong answers you would just get no points.the smart thing to do would to be to throw in whatever came to mind.and to make it easy on the graders to put everything in a list
tenant/landlord dispute should have went on a GOCR for simple batt and incorporate the l/tenant dispute in the narrative. Misc. does not apply in this case where it normally be ok.
I Pray that Hand Job from 017 3rd watch doesnt pass!!
6/25/2006 07:50:31 AM
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If I do, please don't hurt yourself. Seek counseling throught the Employee Assistance Program.
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