GPS - Truth or BS?
From our letters:
- It has been learned that the new ICLEAR PDTs in the patrol vehicles have a GPS (24hrs a day) that track you & a recording device that records audio in the vehicle- now no none knows if it is activated when the siren & lights is turned on or just when the computer is turned on. This is very important info that the troops should know about, could you start a topic thread on this? A cop in 025- [name removed - SCC] already got nabbed on a CR for the GPS.......I think it should be a important thread. Thanks
Who has some definitive answers about this? We wrote months ago that the CTA, Park District, Streets and San and Fire Department already use GPS for their vehicles. It's only a matter of time until the Police Department follows suit - everything is accountability and putting police "on the hot spots" as quickly as possible. We heard some cars in certain districts are already getting "trackers" - can anyone confirm or debunk?
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
77 Comments:
Man,that would be so messed up if it did on so many levels.....
they have had trackers for years. look at the round antenna that is being put on some of the cars.....GPS Tracking. If On Star can tell you where your personal car is, you don't think that Big Brother isn't watching? Be safe and smart.
GPS can be a useful tool. It is good to know where cars are so the the nearest car can be dispatched to an assignment. It ensures a faster response. Police Officers will just have to learn to abide by the directives and be in the locations they are supposed to or where they say they are.
As to recordings in the vehicles, one must be careful what they say.
I have an open CR# for allegedly using excessive force to deprive a good citizen of his ability to do certain things we all think are essential (see out of more than one eye, chew food, wipe ass) to the quality of life. However the city can't put me at the location of this injustice. The R man has me on his log at the station getting new wipers when this alleged misdeed was occurring. I have an ICLEAR PDT in my vehicle and if the city could use GPS technology to stick it in my ass they would. I know those things don't track.
IT'S ABOUT TIME. One more tool against the DOGS. You can't accuse a GPS device of racism!
If its true the records are being kept by some secret unit. Too many cops have wifes or other relitives/girlfriends that are dispatchers and if OEC had the capability we would have known this by now.
Ex-dispatcher here, and here is the response to Austin.
I hope you ain't a Chicago cop or dispatcher, and if you are you seriously need to read the dispatching protocols. The whole result of CAPS is that its not the nearest car that gets sent. Sure, anyone with any sense tries to send what they believe SHOULD be the closest car to a 10-1 or shooting, but that ain't the policy.
The policy for priority 1s beat car/rapid (ANY rapid, though in reality districts are authorized to do the sector thing), gang/tac, supervisor, field lieutenant, and then beat car off the beat.
Which is to say, GPS won't help with the closest-car thing. The only way the closest car thing should be used (common sense) is for emergencies. The department is so bass ackwards that this is pretty close to the opposite of policy. Policy is that y'all go out on all kinds of BS, and the rapids should go flying all over the districts (like 008, 025, 004) before the closest car.
Whoever came up with the policy musta paid a LOT of money to get their rank, because it ain't the result of common sense or police experience. In any case, GPS doesn't help enforce a policy in the manner you assert, because "closest car" is not policy.
I tied my PDT to a wild stray dog in the ghetto. The GPS has beep at every place that rib tip bones have been dropped and those places where Harold's Chicken bags were thrown out a moving car window.
Its always about something or someone you heard about. I heard this... Or...A cop over there had this happen to him. Get the facts before posting please. What is the cops name? Lets here from him and what is the CR number? Lets see documentation. Otherwise I heard a copper up north got fired because he didn't flush.
Whatever, its time to start fucking with Dugans on Halsted. A copper was told in there tonight by there new pussy security that they don't care if he is the police. It has come to that now. Let all the 12th district (especially midnights) coppers know what dugans thinks of coppers now. Any chance you get, fuck the security guards and/or dugans. They need to be taught a lesson, and soon.
just remember three out of four people make up 75 percent of the population.
To 7/29/2006 02:27:42 AM,
Wrong sir. It is about assuming the police officer is an offender.
Just like video taped interviews, the death penalty moratorium, and cameras in squad cars. Unlike Aaron Patterson, Madison Hobley, et al, I've never been arrested and do not have an IR, however, I am veiwed as the possible offender of a crime and must be watched and tracked. To allow GPS or voice recording, if it is indeed being utilized, is yet another travesty much like the no pursuit policy, the loss of the Maglite, merit promotions. You don't see these policys anywhere except where the politicians pander to blacks.
Christ. Seven years of college down the drain
If you are a member of the CPD, you do have an IR#......how the hell did some of you people get on this job,
Rumour mill,
1st There was a gps "testing " period used in 016, but so far we can't find the source of who was actually looking at tracking, heard it was the company they purchased them from.
2nd There is no console on the opertations floor on the police side that can "see" tracking. Fireside has always had it.
3rd Streets and Sans is going to start tracking their trucks very very shortly, the nextel radios they are mandated to carry have the chip and the mapping for that will be on radio main side of the building, not the police operations floor.
Personally I cannot even see how they would be able to implement tracking screens on the antique mapping computer we are using, without seriously overhauling the whole operations floor and 20 yo system. Don't believe all the hype, there's alot of truth in 1225ams comments. Peace to all of you. Squad
Last week a female P.P.O. gave a dispatcher a ticket at a seat belt mission in 006. Not because she does not know any better but because she was a royal Bitch from jump street. They were going to give her a break but when they asked her for her insurance card etc, she went off saying how she will put the word out on her if she gave her a ticket etc, they even let her go to her house and get her insurance card. Her FTO finally stepped in and said give her a ticket for the seat belt. Then the bitch came into the station where she beefed. The Desk Sgt. gave her an I bond out of professional courtesy but I heard he called her a liar and sent her out the door. The bitch no sooner got on the phone calling every dispatcher she knows bad mouthing the P.P.O. What a Bitch, I hope any dispatchers out there reading this now know the truth...
Two things - GPS needs an antenna that is unobstructed from metal witha clear view of the northern sky. They would not put the antenna "inside" the vehicles. That is why you see the disc antenna attached to the roofs. The roof is the ideal placement .
That being said, an antenna placed in the dashboard or rear deck can give good readings on LONG./LAT.
I would bet they are not trying to be sneaky about the GPS. They want to put the fear in us not to be out of beats.
Secondly, the city cannot put a listening device in the squad/PDT.
Even though the city owns the car, PDT, and basically "you" (me) for 8.5 hours on any given work day, there is an expectation of privacy when you are in the squad car.
I am certain the federal government would not authorize such a tactic.
The State (Cook County in our case) doesn't know which way is up when it comes to eavesdropping.
Listening to your conversations without your permission is not happening in the squad - unless
YES UNLESS - you are a criminal targeted by the FBI/DEAQ/ATF, etc.
Then all bets are off. You deserve to get screwed if you are a criminal.
Be safe.
Whatever, its time to start fucking with Dugans on Halsted. A copper was told in there tonight by there new pussy security that they don't care if he is the police. It has come to that now. Let all the 12th district (especially midnights) coppers know what dugans thinks of coppers now. Any chance you get, fuck the security guards and/or dugans. They need to be taught a lesson, and soon.
7/29/2006 04:13:21 AM
OK, what did you do to get kicked out? Why are the bouncers automatically at fault? Why should they care if you are the police if you are making trouble? Like you've never seen a ODPO act like a complete drunken douchebag in a bar before! Grow up and learn to hold your drink, boy! Nothing good EVER happens at a bar at 4am.
How can a dispathcer expect courtesy by the police when this new breed of police does't even give courtesy to their co-workers?? DAHHH!!! Book smart does not equal intelligence. Just great memory. FOP stickers...A joke!! I don't have any on my cars so I decided to place the family member sticker on the rear of my son drivers license. Joke!! A citation was still written but I'll be honest, it wasn't issued by CPD but the surburban police on the other side of Western. I can't blame it on race because my co-workers family members whom I would have believed to get some courtesy did not.
Once again, how does a dispatcher expect to receive courtesy when the police can't even get it??
Can't We All Just Get Along!!!
TEQUILA!!!!!
To the guy whining about getting thrown out of Dugan's: You might want to go back there and thank those security people. You obviously got involved in something more than just war stories with your buddies, so they may have just saved your job, if not your life.
Besides that, that place lost it's "cop bar" status long ago. The only coppers who go in there now are trying to live off the past glories of their forefathers.
To 7/29/2006 12:21:55 AM
I would hope that no one that would be investigating your beef is reading this board because you just gave yourself up.
GPS is all BUNK!!!!!!! What is not bunk is, Sorry A/2 Female Detectives is that BOWLING BALLS are on SALE this WEEKEND at 50% off at SPORTS AUTHORITY. (A lot of Hungry Men Out There}
.....oh, those poor A/2 female dics...getting picked on a again...if they weren't so much like bitches....LMAO
If you dont do anything, and you just drive around and answer your calls, then who gives a flyin **** about GPS.
I WISH I WOULDN'T HAVE USED ALL MY HOURS UP...NOW I CAN'T TAKE TIME, IT'S SO HOT
I agree, if you do your job, then you don't have to worry about GPS. As far as recording you, they would need a court order, ie. they have an investigation already going, or they would need your permission. It's the law! If your not doing anything wrong, then you don't have to worry, and you can sleep at night. Let's be safe out there.qdbg
08:46:03 AM
They wouldn't let the guy in because it was 3:15. And when he asked just to take a piss, they told him no, and fuck the police. Heard the whole thing, I was sitting right there, its disgusting. Coppers are being treated like shit all over. No breaks for Dugans or its staff.
Man, you fools are paranoid. If you aren't doing anything wrong, don't sweat it. Also, don't be fooled by what you read here, the rumors of a friend of a friend of a cousin's uncle that works at HQ or the smoke and mirrors...we are not as advanced as we like to portray......
They should pu GPS on the Narco "take homes" and the Gold Star cars.....
To 7/29/2006 07:12:26 AM,
Hey dumbshit, you know what I meant.
Anonymous said...
Two things - GPS needs an antenna that is unobstructed from metal witha clear view of the northern sky. They would not put the antenna "inside" the vehicles. That is why you see the disc antenna attached to the roofs. The roof is the ideal placement .
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Totally false. many agencies use hidden GPS units to track suspect vehicles and are hidden in or on the car.
hidden GPS units are so much more conseilable and feasable. car rental companies use them in just about all of their vehicles. you would be able to find ur car anywhere in the world down to a couple of square feet.
The Lasso TT
The Lasso TT is a compact, light-weight, battery-operated, easy-to-install packaged unit. No other connection to external power supply, antenna or other devices is required. The unit can be connected to vehicle power using the optional Vehicle Adapter Module that replaces the standard battery pack.
to 10.35.57
Who can get time due?? Not in my district, 6 one man cars this afternoon.
OHHH, ITS SO HOT OUT TODAY, OHHH ITS SO HOT,SO HOT. I'M SWEATING BULLETS ITS SO HOT
geeks, nothin but geeks
Frank, the door man at Dugans is a great guy and used to be the police, i'm sure there is more to that story,, it's usually the young fools whipping out the tin like someone is suppose to care that he is the police. Learn how to act, leave when asked, etc etc and you won't have a problem,period.
The guy who said the antennae must be on exposed is the only one out there who knows whats going on. Until recently, when I worked with the feds we would sneak up to a mobster's car, stick big tracking devices in the trunk, antennae on the roof and battery packs in the glove compartment and track said crime boss through the city. I fondly remember entering photos of these devices into evidence at trial and the confusion on the faces of the jury that the bad guys never noticed a bunch of fuckin' hardware attached to their cars! Too bad they don't make those things concealable, huh? I for one am tired of this poor technology, like that 1,275 foot long extension cord/USB cable for my PDT that keeps getting disconnected when I get too far from the station. Since I'm reminiscing, another crime fighting technique we used was to wear a pinstripe suit, hang a string of garlic around your neck and stand around organized crime figures. You would occaisionally say, "I like being in organized crime! Fugedaboudit! We sure are breaking a lotta laws youze guys! Let's discuss some details of those crimes right now!" Thanks for clearing up that confusion about GPS, Joe Technology!
1;59 is wrong I work in HIDA we have tracking devices that mount on the fram of the car and so does the antenna as long as the wire is attached to the main unit and the antenna is facing down the unit will work
frame
1;59 must be having a flash back to the 60's when he was the police
DOES THE GPS ONLY TURN ON WHEN THE COMPUTER IS ON- OR IS IT ON ALL THE TIME....
Dispatchers, especially black dispatchers, deserve tickets just like the rest of the fuckin' world! If I catch your ass in 008, you had better have all of your shit, cuz I'll be hammering you! I don't give a fuck!!! I even write up CFD and ambulance drivers, so fuck you!!!
Man, you be cold hearted like a motherfucker!!! I feel ya dog!
-007 copper
no GPS in Iclear. Period. Move on biatches
One time, we successfully mated a bulldog with a Shih-Tzu
Really? That's strange
Yeah, we called it a bullshit.
DOES THE GPS ONLY TURN ON WHEN THE COMPUTER IS ON- OR IS IT ON ALL THE TIME....
The GPS is not in the computer.
To the people that make the statement about concealable GPS and the car ental installations -
The antenna has to be, without exception, have a clear view of the sky.
The transmitting device can be burried in your ass, but the antenna has to be unobstructed.
The car rental companies conceal them in the dashboard or reardeck. PERIOD.
Argue, lie, guess, whatever.
Two ways to overcome the device.
Want to know how?
Wait, want don't you tell us.
Just don't be screwing off.
All cars will have GPS, soon.
No antenna, no location.
No power to transmitting device - no location.
I assure the devices are wired into the cars power system, this way they can call the device whenever they want.
HIDTA not HIDA
Your refering to a different tracking device that works off several towers located throughout the Chicagoland area.
Right?
I mean, RIGHT!
If you don't know that, your clout should get you out of HIDTA.
two different tracking systems
Go back to school, kid.
Study up on antennas.
Do you know what a Dipole antenna is?
Didn't think so.
Antenna, can be in the auto, like I said. In the rear or front deck.
Maybe in the bumper - unobstructed by metal.
That is a fact.
Go check it out.
You are all a bunch of stupid fucking, ignorant beat cops. GPS technology has come a long way in recent years. Now all new GPS units are equipped with S.I.R.F. antennaes. (Go to the Garmin website and look it up you fucking morons). The do not need to mounted on top of a car these new antennaes can pick a GPS signal from inside a house, if you don't believe go purchase a Garmin GPSMAP 60cx, like I have and see for yourself you dumb assholes...
well..ok then
To 7;57
so sorry for a typo whish you could join me here but you can't so get get your bus check and keep correcting typos while I take my company car for ride
I left a few more for you now you can show everone how smart you are
4:50, if its one of the good ones and they tell people down there about it, you better run and hide.
How'd you like to be first choice for EVERY job? How'd you like to get raised every five minutes to see if you are clear?
Not saying you shouldn't give someone a ticket for wrongdoing. But if you go out of your way to screw Louie, he's gonna send you and your cab all over town chasing ghosts.
Picture for a second the only person who is paid to listen when you scream for help. Now picture that person drawing a big bulls eye on your purty little head. Like a Flock of Seagulls homing in on a beached whale, you'll be target numero uno. So bring it on clownie. Bring. It. On.
Everyone is sweating about the recording devices..IDEA, how about just not using the "N Word" anymore and quit disrespecting our fabulous Mayor and you have nothing to worry about!
Granted it won't be as FUN anymore but.. oh well!
The rev James Meeks told all of America that saying NIGGA is a term of endearment so they can record me all day long driving around the west side of Chicago using my new favorite word NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA
There are 25 districts how many units and other cars and we have police officers who really believe the department has the time or personnel to keep track of the gps print outs? Go look at one days worth of print outs for one streets and sanitation vehicle it looks like a small novel. I remember years ago Tasch at roll calls telling us he didn't have many inspectors but as long as we believed there were alot out there we would keep in line. The threat was greater than the real thing. Lets not be so paranoid.
3:07 and 3:13,
It was sarcasm guys! And not very subtle at that. C'mon! Battery in glove compartment? Antennae in plain sight? Photos of same at trial? String of garlic and "lets discuss our crimes?" Funny shit. I should know, I wrote it.
Meeks is an idiot retard. That's why he's an elected official.
Garmin GPS -
Does your house have a metal roof?
That is why it still gives reading, you tool.
And HIDTA bitch, I'm pretty sure I've got you beat. But you keep braggin' about you 2 year detail to HIDTA. Yours will be over sometime, mine won't.
Been in HIDTA five yrs now not leaving anytime soon so I doubt you got me beat wanna be
Anonymous said...
Garmin GPS -
Does your house have a metal roof?
That is why it still gives reading, you tool.
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I thought you said metal obstructed the gps, now you are saying that it makes it work. Please stop posting.
Garmin
http://www.garmin.com/products/gvn52/
The GVN 52 is a remote GPS sensor designed to be integrated with factory audio/video entertainment systems in vehicles
Compatible with the GTM 10 or GTM 12 FM TMC traffic receivers
http://www.garmin.com/products/gtm10/
The GTM 10 is a small FM-band traffic receiver that connects inbetween your car stereo and antenna to provide real-time Traffic Message Channel (TMC) data to compatible Garmin GPS navigation products
Pictures are avail on the website. Since ALL squad cars have antennas on the roofs or truck lids, it is easy and conceilable (sp?) to hook it all up. You will not know. Sleep tight....stay out of the holes.
Wow! Accusing people of being wannabe HIDTA. What's this job coming too...
I have a Fine Drive 400 gps portable navigation system, plugs in the cigarette lighter, displays maps, pois, etc, it also tracks my vehicle on the map. Extremely accurate, to the point of seeing your car go through an intersection. I don't mount it on the window or dash, just throw it between the console and it still works. The antenna is attached and is 1"x1" square. The whole unit is 5"x 4" big. No disc on the car, exposed antenna etc.
NEW PDT'S I WISH I HAD ONE SO I COULD EFFECTIVLY DO MY FUCKING JOB!!! I HAVENT SEEN A PDT OLD OR NEW IN MONTHES. SECOND BIGGEST DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY AND I STILL DRIVE A PIECE OF SHIT DEATH TRAP CAR WITH NO EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT AND NO PDT MOUNT,,,,GET ALL THOSE PRETTY NEW UNMARKED CARS ON THE STREET WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES SO I DONT HAVE TO USE MY FLASHLIGHT WHEN I GO THROUGH INTERSECTIONS
The city has been using GPS on it's vehicles for some time now. If you think that they are not using it on CPD cars, you are an idiot. If you need to beat the tracker, use tinfoil over the antenna. A pack of gum will do it.
Won't it be a hoot to see Inspectors looking for tinfoil on our car antennas!
DAMN, I GUESS I'M AN IDIOT
Anonymous said...
Whatever, its time to start fucking with Dugans on Halsted. A copper was told in there tonight by there new pussy security that they don't care if he is the police. It has come to that now. Let all the 12th district (especially midnights) coppers know what dugans thinks of coppers now. Any chance you get, fuck the security guards and/or dugans. They need to be taught a lesson, and soon.
7/29/2006 04:13:21 AM
No one in their RIGHT mind, and I mean NO ONE, would pay any attention to the above rantings. I don't care if you're the police either, and I am the police!! And there is always another side to the story. I'd bt $50 the poster was an asshat and now is whining because he wasn't treated like royalty. Note the time on the post!!
Dugan's bar is downtown, and I haven't been there in years. If I were to go back, I'd behave myself and act properly, just like we as coppers expect everyone else to act.
Grow up kid and start acting like an adult.
7/30/2006 03:28:11 PM
Couldn't have said it better
TO: 04-13-21 ; Why don't you go over to Dugans and straighten everything out simpleton.... Try using a little integrity, even though our dept.leadership for the most part doesn't, O.K. 2 beer, 2 year Wonderboy ?
PRIVACY LAWS PREVENT THE DEPT. FROM RECORDING CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN PARTNERS INSIDE A POLICE VEHICLE. THERE IS NOOOOO WAY THAT THE DEPT COULD OR WOULD RECORD CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN PARTNERS W/O COURT APPROVAL. JUST LOOK AT THE U.S. MONITORING PHONE NUMBERS CALLED, NOT LISTENED IN ON (LIKE THE DEMOCRATS WANT YOU TO BELILEVE IS HAPPENNING). YES, THERE IS GPS, YES THEY WILL FUCK YOU OVER WITH IT, NOOOOO THEY ARE NOT RECORDING RANDOMLY.
I agree down with Dugans. No copper should be treated like that.
And the doorman is the biggest chump who forgot where he came from.
7/31
9:40am
He's an "ex" copper that is the key there. Why is he an "ex" copper and where was he the police at?
NOW!
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