The EB Rule?
Administrative Special Order 09-01, issued 16 January:
- Section II - To be promoted to captain (SES), candidates must
- (J) - complete the Consent to Obtain Consumer Reports form at the time of application
This is new. Not in the private sector where credit checks are almost universal, and not if you were applying to Vice, but a first for a promotion.
Is this because too many checks people were writing to aldercreatures for promotional spots were bouncing? Or because they're worried Captains in dire financial straits might start selling spots on the watches? Or the EB fiasco.
If you want to be a captain, you better "open your books" as it were. You could take a stand and tell them it's none of their damn business. But then the next 20 "merit" selections would be leaving their footprints all over your back to get that spot.
Is this because too many checks people were writing to aldercreatures for promotional spots were bouncing? Or because they're worried Captains in dire financial straits might start selling spots on the watches? Or the EB fiasco.
If you want to be a captain, you better "open your books" as it were. You could take a stand and tell them it's none of their damn business. But then the next 20 "merit" selections would be leaving their footprints all over your back to get that spot.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
140 Comments:
I always thought (or heard), that assignment to OCD required that the person to be considered would submit to a "credit check" (or whatever they call it), which included named as a defendant in a lawsuit, bankruptcies, etc.....anyone know if "Downtown Ernie B." ever passed that check?
How about sergeants. If I want to get promoted to Lt., need I give up my credit score?
Exactly who will be privy to your credit background? More civilian hoods working in personnel?
Who Cares!
Sorry, but my credit report isn't my employer's business. What, does a 651 score get me a promotion, but a 649 won't? Does having too many credit cards mean I'm not Jody's kind of cop? Does a late payment on my mortgage or Home Depot card mean I can be fired? Until they delineate exactly what it is they're using it for, what the criteria for 'passing or failing' the credit check test might be, what they will do with the information contained in my report... well, they can shove it.
I do not trust Jody. I do not trust this department. And I sure as hell am not opening up my private financial records to this city.
The EB Rule?
Or the EB fiasco.
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I feel like EB should have some meaning, but nothing is registering at the moment...
Who or what is EB again?
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
Seiser runs credit checks on Equifax, TransUnion, and Experian...
what is the eb rule???/// think i missed something
Chalkie on the attack 014th Dist 2 shot 1 brain dead.
Everybody loves Raymond. Except Seiser
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
1/20/2009 01:07:00 AM
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Quit bragging, dickhead. you know they're good.
"I feel like EB should have some meaning, but nothing is registering at the moment...
Who or what is EB again?
1/20/2009 12:50:00 AM"
Lazy fucking reporters, they're every fucking place you go.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
1/20/2009 01:07:00 AM
FICO score max - 850
VantageScore max - 990
If these are your VS scores you're sitting very good in the second level Prime Plus category. If these are your FICO scores you're a credit god to lenders.
Are they afraid that a Captain with poor credit might do something illegal? Like maybe get hooked up with an outfit jewel theft ring like a former Chief of Detectives? He was way past Captain and probably had good credit. Right up until the moment he was arrested.
Or maybe that former South Side Captain caught in an FBI car theft sting, on duty who did some time. He probably had good credit also.
This is more FBI smoke and mirrors, meant to give the illusion of diligence. Truth is, a good copper with a desire to do nefarious things is usually much smarter than your average former SCA.
Now if they wanted to keep track of who is spending above their earning potential, credit checks do little, a covert check of credit accounts, spending habits and cash flow into and out of their bank accounts is better than a consumer credit check.
Of course, if someone is dumb enough to have credit accounts documenting spending habits way beyond their salary well, screw them.
If they make me Captain they can check my credit. Credit cards near the max, spending equals or exceeds income. What else is new for the average PO?
A Lt. was crying poor mouth in roll call the other day wondering when the contract would be settled so he can get a raise. This Lt. got a nice fat Shakman check last year at that and has been the beneficiary of clout his whole miserable career.
Not much longer, blessed retirement is on the horizon.
All gang team members had to sign a waver to let the dept see their credit report. The dept can further look at it any time. What a privacy issue I say NO WAY.
In relation to credit scores, you want your FICO score. That is what means everything.
You can now request a free annual credit report from each credit bureau and check it for accuracy.
This is a very good practice, as mistakes occur quite frequently.
They're taking this directly from LAPD's playbook. LAPD started doing this for exempt promotions and specialized units after the
CRASH-Rampart fiasco.
Anonymous with the credit scores:
Credit scores aren't issued in percentile. They range from 300-850. Usually anything above 740 is considered great. The scores you list are excellent.
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
1/20/2009 01:07:00 AM
Anything over 700 is considered A+ credit, no one would turn you down for a loan. Congrats! Your score is roughly 600 points higher than the Chief's of OCD.
Anonymous said...
I always thought (or heard), that assignment to OCD required that the person to be considered would submit to a "credit check" (or whatever they call it), which included named as a defendant in a lawsuit, bankruptcies, etc.....anyone know if "Downtown Ernie B." ever passed that check?
The answer to your first question - YES. You have to submit a credit report in your pplication.
Answer to the second question - Unknown. But, you can bet your ass that if you have clout, and a phone call, it will not matter.
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
1/20/2009 01:07:00 AM
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If true, those scores mean you're a credit god and anyone will gie you credit for anything you ask for. Your percentile rating is probably in the top two percent.
And whoever was asking about EB, it rhymes with 'downtown'. He's the boss who couldn't get a job out west once they investigated him.
BUBBLEHEAD WOULD HAVE BEEN REJECTED IF THEY DID THIS BACK A FEW YEARS AGO...
I do not trust Jody. I do not trust this department. And I sure as hell am not opening up my private financial records to this city.
Yeah, I'm sure that that won't be asking you to do so anyway. You would have to be a Lieutenant in the first place. So why does it bother you?
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
1/20/2009 01:07:00 AM
Here's some help...you're full of shit and a "zero"
Chalkie on the attack 014th Dist 2 shot 1 brain dead.
he was probably brain dead long before getting shot
I would hope that the Lts. Assoc. files an unfair labor practice beef. Typical Fed BS.
You guys are sooooo dumb. They want to know if you have enough cash on hand to pay for those bars!
Seiser's credit score is 1000, which is 150 more than humanly possible. A mere human max's out at 850.
Re: I found out my (raw) credit scores. Those are excellent credit scores. You have better credit than the vast majority. You are in top percentiles.
EB=Downtown Ernie Brown
I was just crushed. I just saw Bill Daley at the inauguration following behind the justices. I guess Richard Daley will never go down. Bill will make sure of that.
I think it's a great idea.
Brain dead in 14? How do they tell?
wtf thats weird! But it doesnt affect me I guess, i dont have a phone call so im not going anywhere anyways
MY credit score is probably fucking 300, because with this shit salary and no raise to speak of for 19 months and none in sight Im lucky i can pay my mortgage, bills, tuition, etc.
one would think that a basic credit check would be a requirement for any police officer, and especially for ones in supervisory and management positions. not a whole lot different than what happens when you get a security clearance.
people who are in financial trouble are vulnerable.
I just shed a tear watching the swearing in? Why didn't I take a 1B furlough so I could be there? He is our savior!!!
Barak Obama is the President. A
new world is ahead of us.
who cares, I'm not making captain anyway
(OT) I'm a hard working tact guy in a fast district. I was thinking about applying for MSF, but I've been told about 10 po's have recently bailed out of the unit? Why is the unit having ANYONE leaving? At first we were told how awesome the new unit was...now we're seeing an opposite effect.
I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true? I've been wearing a nylon duty belt for a very long time in tact. I don't think that is fair?
Serious replies only please. I want to make the best decision for my wife and kids. I tend to find that disgruntled or former po's in units rarely have anything worthy to tell a guy like me. I've done it all so to speak. You cannot pull the wool over my eyes. Plus, I have many 10th dist tact friends of mine over in MSF, so you cannot bullshit me! Thanks!
EB
Right out of the fbi manual,been that way for 60 years.
An image thing was the reason but hoover wanted to know it all and get the edge over you and your job.
A good way to know who (espionage) was living beyond his means.
So you,your wife,extended family and fortunes just became an iad record.
If this is the "standard" for promotion, then how in the hell did EB jump 3 pay grades? Is anything legit on this job anymore?
I don't qualify one way or the other my house and my car were gifts from my parents they're paid off. I have NO credit cards. Oh wait the only open line of credit is my gas bill. Last I checked my score was somewhere in the low 400.
Anonymous said...
Everybody loves Raymond. Except Seiser
1/20/2009 05:06:00 AM
everybody hates Chris except Shaved.
Just another method of cutting out potential prospects.
Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
Reality check and the check bounced. Politics as usual.
EB? The guy from Deadwood?
Chalkie says go to the web site of Chicago2016.com and vote no on, Do You Support the Olympics? So far voting is 275,yes 53% to 242, no 47%.
How about everyone - just like in a corporate organizational setting. Higher standard my a**.
Who the hell is Seiser.
I dont know about you guys but my duty availability has been burning a hole in my pocket, and with uniform checks coming soon I decided to treat myself. I went to check out a fashion show on Mannheim rd (per my sgts recommendation). Just when I thought it was safe to go to Melrose Park shit went bad real fast. I walked into Bobbys Bar and the first person I locked eyes with was none other than bigbird himself. I figured he would remember me from the licorice thong incident at Carls. But Mr. Bird paid me no attention. He was concentrating on getting the ole dutch rub from what I will assume was his wife. I just cut my losses and head up to the playpen instead. Good thing I did because I later read that chalkie paid a visit.
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/mountprospect/news/1379156,wp-shoting-011409-s1.article
If you can't go to Melrose Park anymore than where is there left to go?
To the "Shinebox" Commentator
Listen up jackass. We screen between 200 and 400 comments a day and each and every one of them that starts with "SCC you jagoff..." or "SCC you better publish this..." or anything even remotely similar, we delete it. We don't even give it the courtesy of a read. We just slide over and flush it.
Our smarter readers figure it out after one of two trips to the comment section that if their words, essays or diatribes don't appear, then they did something wrong. You, on the other hand, are obviously learning disabled because you keep calling us names and then wonder why nothing gets published.
Why don't you try it for a tenth time, leave the "SCC, you @#$%@..." out of it, use initials, not names and see if what you claim to have to say gets published. We'll bet it does.
Asshat.
but i need to make captain because im so in debt. i need the money from 3yr wonders paying to stay off of midnights, and extra cash from scalping christmas pary tickets to pay off my bills...
How do they demand anyone's credit rating when the Chief of Organized Crime has none??? Who checked his before he was promoted? Obviously it doesn't matter to the connected, just the little guy trying to get ahead. Hey JFed, why don't you lead by example, and start this from the top down, rather than the bottom up? If that were the case, we'd have a new Chief. Business as usual, morale in the shitter, Go Chalkie Go!!! See ya on the picket line in April
I found out my (raw) CREDIT SCORES:
Equifax - 842
Experian - 828
TransUnion - 812
The only problem is that they do NOT tell you your PERCENTILE ranking.
Can anyone help me?
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I just measured my @#!% 14 inches. Is that good.
Keesing Bandit?
J Fed?
Anonymous said...
Chalkie says go to the web site of Chicago2016.com and vote no on, Do You Support the Olympics? So far voting is 275,yes 53% to 242, no 47%.
Went to said site and only found a way to vote yes. Do you have a better link so we can vote NO!!
Anonymous said...
MY credit score is probably fucking 300, because with this shit salary and no raise to speak of for 19 months and none in sight Im lucky i can pay my mortgage, bills, tuition, etc.
1/20/2009 10:15:00 AM
It's not the salary, deadbeat, it's living outside your means. I paid off my house and two cars on this salary, 250K in def comp. You can too.
Can my bookie report a late payment?
Anonymous said...
The EB Rule?
Or the EB fiasco.
___________________________________
I feel like EB should have some meaning, but nothing is registering at the moment...
Who or what is EB again?
1/20/2009 12:50:00 AM
GO AWAY MEDIA RAT!!!!
Anonymous said...
BUBBLEHEAD WOULD HAVE BEEN REJECTED IF THEY DID THIS BACK A FEW YEARS AGO...
1/20/2009 08:23:00 AM
Imagine: a captain's salary and broke-ass sorry.
Anonymous said...
"I feel like EB should have some meaning, but nothing is registering at the moment...
Who or what is EB again?
1/20/2009 12:50:00 AM"
Hey dick paste. Every REAL police officer knows what EB means.
YOU are not the police. fuck off scum.
E.B. has always been a liability, wanted to have two unmarked vehicles when he was a D/C in 003, so his wife would not catch upp with him. Many sexual harassment complaints and is financially up side down but is a friend of assw-p- Hillard, and thaats part of the price J-Fed paid to get hillards advice. A tall price to pay for advice from the brain dead.
"Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
1/20/2009 01:18:00 PM"
With shorter being the qualifying trait?
"Serious replies only please..... I've done it all so to speak. You cannot pull the wool over my eyes..... Thanks!
1/20/2009 11:40:00 AM"
You meant to post this on an adult porn site blog, didn't you?
Will you need someone to co sign if your credit isn't so good?
"Seiser's credit score is 1000, which is 150 more than humanly possible. A mere human max's out at 850.
1/20/2009 09:43:00 AM"
Don't post drunk.
Seiser doesn't have a credit score.
Who the fuck would dare to score Seiser?
Or refuse Seiser credit, for that matter.
What exactly did EB do?
Anonymous said...
MY credit score is probably fucking 300, because with this shit salary and no raise to speak of for 19 months and none in sight Im lucky i can pay my mortgage, bills, tuition, etc.
1/20/2009 10:15:00 AM
Hah! Got you beat! Mine is 530! I can get a title loan at the local Payday Loan store! But no retro-pay anticipation loan.
To the tact guy who Thinks he has done it all "(OT) I'm a hard working tact guy in a fast district. I was thinking about applying for MSF, but I've been told"
You Are A Total Stroke! no wait...You Are A Totally Stupid Stroke!
I do not trust Jody. I do not trust this department. And I sure as hell am not opening up my private financial records to this city.
Yeah, I'm sure that that won't be asking you to do so anyway. You would have to be a Lieutenant in the first place. So why does it bother you?
1/20/2009 08:55:00 AM
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It bothers me for the same reason it bothered me when they 'only' wanted a two dollar a paycheck contribution toward my healthcare.
The door was opened and can never be shut again. Wait til you take the dick's test and they proffer a release for credit check form to you. Wait til they call you down for a drug screen and they proffer a credit check release to you. Maybe it'll become a 'random' issue, kind of like an integrity check.
Once Pandora's box has been opened, it can never be shut again. Go ahead; give up yet ANOTHER of your personal freedoms. Be a sheep. Enjoy the slaughter.
http://www.chicago2016.com/2016/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=165&Itemid=119
This is the page for the (several) polls regarding the Olympic bid. The numbers have shifted and more than half do NOT want the Olympics, according to the primary poll on the page. (There are a few, but read them carefully before you answer.)
Remember, though, that this is not the official 2016 website. That one is "dot.org" and it doesn't want anyone to know that there are people here who DON'T want the Olympics in Chicago.
Do not worry about credit scores. Rod Blago... snuck that in because when he beats the current rap,and he will, he is only taking credit.
Rome fell in 476
American in 2009
The main points for the fall were
1. bad emperors (Clinton,GWB,BHO)
2. increasing civilization (read liberalization) of the people of the empire (which means weaker soldiers)
3. Roman disunity, endless infighting
4. economic decline
5. plagues
6. mass migration (immigration in our case)
7. and the settlement of the Visigoths in Moesia (the enemy is allowed to move in aka Mexico and Muslims)
At the end Rome just gave stuff away to the citizens and held festivals and diversions to apease its population and thus bankrupting itself.
Any of this sound familiar?
I don't think that is fair?
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Life's not fair. Grow up.
EB? The guy from Deadwood?
1/20/2009 01:29:00 PM
He'd be a better choice for Chief of OCD than the EB we're talking about! Swearingin could be Chief of IAD while were at!
I am the person who started the Seiser comments ( which I admit to stealing from Chuck Norris )several years ago, before the Department banned SCC on it's computers. I was sitting there bored one morning, after hearing a bunch of them on Mancow ( before he got dumped from FM ) and I started the madness.
The person who is butchering them over the last several days/threads, PLEASE STOP. It has run it's course. You are too late to this party...
...but we all know that Seiser still runs it!
SCC,
does that mean I can't call you an ignorant slut?
Damn, I guess I need to update my SNL knowledge from beyond the 70's.
Oh well.
SCC said...
Listen up jackass.
"SCC you better publish this..."
"SCC, you @#$%@..."
Asshat!
1/20/2009 03:06:00 PM
Why is it always an AssHAT with you??? Why not an AssGLOVE or an AssSCARF or even an AssSHAWL!!!
YOU, SIR ARE FASHION PREJUDICED!!!
in celebration of out new prez, i CHANGED my underpants
Anonymous said...
BUBBLEHEAD WOULD HAVE BEEN REJECTED IF THEY DID THIS BACK A FEW YEARS AGO...
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You ain't fuckin' lying!!! He's got financial skeletons like nobody's business - ask Bubblehead Junior just for starters.
Anonymous said...
I don't qualify one way or the other my house and my car were gifts from my parents they're paid off. I have NO credit cards. Oh wait the only open line of credit is my gas bill. Last I checked my score was somewhere in the low 400.
# # # # # # # # # # # #
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!!!
There will be a major terrorist attack within 6 mos.
1. The bad guys realize that we have a liberal p@##y in charge.
2. He is an apostate. In the eyes of a Muslim, he is a Muslim because his father was Muslim. There is no converting to another religion. All apostates are the lowest of the low and are to be killed accordng to radical Islam.
SEISER IS GOD.
OCD started the credit checks around 2003. A PO was assigned to DEA and was involved in a theft of 10,000 dollars. He was set up by his own CI. The department later found out that this former PO was up to his ass in debt. The credit check was initiated.
OT
Rumor put to rest, any rumor, ANY, that the FOP will take a $3,000 payment in lieu of retro is FALSE. Raise with retro only, no exception. This from General Meeting tonight. And not from Donahue, he is in DC.
O.T. Can you start a thread on this?
FROM FOP WEBSITE
NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE 01/20/09
The Core Group met with the City on Friday as the collective bargaining process rolls on. Issues that were discussed included:
Lowering the age to 55 from the current 60 for Retiree Health Insurance coverage;
Wage increases;
Reorganizing Section 23.8 relative to bid units;
Discipline issues;
Military Leave issues;
and the financial situation of the City.
We are now getting into the issues of most importance. Each of these issues is still open for more discussion which will take place at the next Core Group meeting scheduled for 26 January. We anticipate having a full negotiations team meeting shortly after that at which time we will discuss the current status of negotiations and what course we will take in the future.
TO- "Who cares,I'm not making captain anyway." I salute you! Everytime I had to salute a union-busting, job-bought, captain- what I was thinking was, fuck you five times, fuck you five times, fuck you five times. I'll salute a lt, sgt, even a po anyday with honor.
MSF is the shit bro!!! You cannot get better training anywhere in the City unless you go SWAT. The bosses rule! One is better than the other, but they both rule compared to shitty district bosses.
MSF is where the real men on the job want to be. Guns, dope, gangs, training...MSF is the shit!!!!!
Ok tact guy...here is the skinny you are looking for. If you are tact, then STAY tact dude. Once you get to MSF you will realize like I and so many other tact guys, how much better we had it. No early ducks, you WILL work until 2am no exceptions to include court, you are treated like a child, you have to do standup inspections three times a week, no nylon duty belts, no working out on company time and other than shooting-the training isn't all that.
I am one of the disgruntled MSF people who left to return to tact. BEST decision I made yet!!! Don't judge me dude. I'm just trying to help you and your family. I'm so much happier now. Tact is a great way to further your career. MSF and it's petty bullshit rules...is not.
-tact and proud of it!!!
Anonymous said...
(OT) I'm a hard working tact guy in a fast district. I was thinking about applying for MSF, but I've been told about 10 po's have recently bailed out of the unit? Why is the unit having ANYONE leaving? At first we were told how awesome the new unit was...now we're seeing an opposite effect.
I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true? I've been wearing a nylon duty belt for a very long time in tact. I don't think that is fair?
Serious replies only please. I want to make the best decision for my wife and kids. I tend to find that disgruntled or former po's in units rarely have anything worthy to tell a guy like me. I've done it all so to speak. You cannot pull the wool over my eyes. Plus, I have many 10th dist tact friends of mine over in MSF, so you cannot bullshit me! Thanks!
1/20/2009 11:40:00 AM
Looks like because of Leo it is a failure!
I am loving the EB RULE???????????? Does this mean they are going to look into his background???
"I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true?"
Nylon duty wear has NEVER been permitted for patrol duty. Obviously, the bosses where you work aren't that observant.
politics aside.
Is this a fucking great country or what?
TUESDAY, JANUARY 20, 2009
NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE 01/20/09
The Core Group met with the City on Friday as the collective bargaining process rolls on. Issues that were discussed included:
Lowering the age to 55 from the current 60 for Retiree Health Insurance coverage;
Wage increases;
Reorganizing Section 23.8 relative to bid units;
Discipline issues;
Military Leave issues;
and the financial situation of the City.
We are now getting into the issues of most importance. Each of these issues is still open for more discussion which will take place at the next Core Group meeting scheduled for 26 January. We anticipate having a full negotiations team meeting shortly after that at which time we will discuss the current status of negotiations and what course we will take in the future.
OT SCC March 6th is this years st baldricks event to raise money for kids cancer research. I am hoping we can have a better showing as a police department this year than we did last year. It would be nice to raise more and have more shavees than the fire department and maybe get us a bit of good publicity even if only for a day. The main concern however is to raise money for childhood cancer research. Anyone with a child would never want to have to experience this. Many already have! Now is not a time to worry about being a pretty boy, raise some cash, shave your head and help these kids! SCC you have posted a couple of times in the past, however last yr it was too late. Lets see if we can post a couple of times before March 6th, this is the BEST way to reach large numbers of coppers! And no excuses about location this year. last year we could only go to the academy, this yr we can do the academy, Area 2 and Area 5 so there is no reason we shouldnt have a good showing!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true?"
Nylon duty wear has NEVER been permitted for patrol duty. Obviously, the bosses where you work aren't that observant.
1/20/2009 10:52:00 PM
I was signing out at 26th Street one time and inspector Big Bird was there and a copper asked him and I quote "Boss can we wear nylon duty belts?" Big Bird responded "I don't know." To which I said to my partner, "You would think as an inspector he would know that, and why would anyone call an inspector boss?" Big Bird who obviously hears like a beagle heard that and wrote me up.
Credit checks for promotion to exempt rank??
I knew that over 25 years ago when some one told me the 3 most important reference materials on this job were your prayer book, your bank book and your phone book, not necessarily in that order.
Why is it always an AssHAT with you??? Why not an AssGLOVE or an AssSCARF or even an AssSHAWL!!!
How about Pickle Mitten?
MSF is the shit bro!!! You cannot get better training anywhere in the City unless you go SWAT. The bosses rule! One is better than the other, but they both rule compared to shitty district bosses.
MSF is where the real men on the job want to be. Guns, dope, gangs, training...MSF is the shit!!!!!
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God, I hope this is a joke.
LEO is a TOOL!!! Go lock up some piss bum with a crack pipe... but make sure you charge him with felony residue you dork.
To the tact brotha considering MSF? Stay tact...MSF ain't that good my man! We got guys quitting left and right!
"Big Bird who obviously hears like a beagle heard that and wrote me up.
1/20/2009 11:22:00 PM"
For what? Speaking your mind?
Apparently this Department is becoming more like Stalinist Russia than I thought. Or you're just a tool that talks big?
Anonymous said...
I don't qualify one way or the other...
# # # # # # # # # # # #
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!
You're probably one of the many that come on this job and TRY to live above their means. I'm just hanging around this job for the health insurance. I refuse to pay for it all by myself. Don't hate...
Downtown was made a Chief because he couldn't pass the credit check for Captain.
Leo is not in charge of the Mobile Strikers.
You cannot pull the wool over my eyes. Plus, I have many 10th dist tact friends of mine over in MSF, so you cannot bullshit me! Thanks!
1/20/2009 11:40:00 AM
BEST FOR WIFE AND KIDS, GO TO THE WATCH!!!
I seem to recall a sergeant years ago who requested a promotion from his then immediate superior a DS or a Bureau that no longer exists. The ever helpful DS did put the sgt in however a donation was required. The funny thing was that the sgt's credit was poor and a cosigner was required. I understand the DS agreeded to cosign the loan that was the pay off for the lieutenants bars. The best part was this guy didnt stop at lieutenant and went on to get his gold star. Can you name the bureau? If anyone can guess it I will provide additional hints.
I am so disgusted by another rule that applies to most in the department, but does not apply to exempt. Its the same under the mayor, rules and taxes and salary cuts apply to most city workers, but does not apply to alderman.
I cannot follow "you must back everyone up we're still all blue". I cannot follow "you can hate the person but you must respect the rank".
How can I respect the rank of a "boss" who didn't earn that rank and is humiliating that rank every day he is there? How can I back a "boss" who not only never backed any of his subordinates, but went out of his way to destroy his subordinates?
When does it stop? Why do we have to have pep talks with ourselves upon waking up just to get through another day of nonsense on this department and in this city?
This city and this department has broken us to such a degree of humiliation, anger and regret - they have taken away the only thing we had left - the love for the job.
Anonymous said...
What exactly did EB do?
1/20/2009 04:47:00 PM
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Do your own research. You are obviously not the police. Unfortunately, somebody will probably provide you with an answer in another post without thinking ahead of time.
Big Bird who obviously hears like a beagle heard that and wrote me up.
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Ears like a beagle! HAHAHAHA!
Anonymous said...
MSF is the shit bro!!! You cannot get better training anywhere in the City unless you go SWAT. The bosses rule! One is better than the other, but they both rule compared to shitty district bosses.
MSF is where the real men on the job want to be. Guns, dope, gangs, training...MSF is the shit!!!!!
1/20/2009 11:45:00 PM
Can't get better training anywhere in the city? I guess that is unlike the many thousands in patrol where you can't get worse training anywhere else in the country. They show a 5 minute video of assholes talking for a few quick minutes at roll call and that goes in our training record and holds us accountable as being "trained."
What total bullshit. Training on this department is a total shambles and is a joke. If a few elite units somehow manage to get some real training I maintain that it only looks and feels good because the training they have received so far in their career has been so poor.
Any training by comparison seems like good training. Training on this department is something I got in 1985 by law and is never to be repeated or improved again.
I asked Jody Weis directly how come the only firearms training I received in 2007 was that which I paid for myself? I bought the ammo, I took time off and I attended training classes. On my dime and I am the the lowest common denominator, a beat cop working a one man beat car on days. Jody said that would change. It hasn't. What a shocker.
If I want training, I must seek it out and pay for it myself. And I do but only to keep sharp with my pistol. This department is pathetic when it comes to training and if I ever get in a serious beef that will be part of my defense: poor or non-existent training. And I can prove how lousy it is.
Jody has learned how bad training is here and how low the commitment is to constant in-service straining. He is learning the hard way how hard it is to get training funds out of his boss.
When we do get training what is the first thing that usually happens at the training class? We all see it: the instructor promises to get us out early. As if training is something to be merely endured, an easy day, an opportunity for an early exit out the door and a quick arrival back at home.
We had two KIA last year. Frankly I am surprised that each year more aren't killed. Shitty 20 year old holsters and poor training will take their toll, A complacent department that only pretends the police department is highly trained is to blame.
Training a few hundred out of 13,000 is merely window dressing. Stay safe out there.
Plus, I have many 10th dist tact friends of mine over in MSF, so you cannot bullshit me! Thanks!
1/20/2009 11:40:00 AM
Stop the insanity!
You need to take a real look at your family and your house and your bank account, and then ask the most important question of your career is the run-gun MSF/TAC worth losing all the above ?
Ok tact guy...here is the skinny you are looking for. If you are tact, then STAY tact dude. Once you get to MSF you will realize like I and so many other tact guys, how much better we had it. No early ducks, you WILL work until 2am no exceptions to include court, you are treated like a child,
YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT, NEVER TELL ON YOURSELF..
Asshat
1/20/2009 03:06:00 PM
No SCC they're more along the lines of a butt-munch! Keep up the good investigative journalism, becasue after all you are insignificant(according to jfart).
In the bad ol' days, I worked a district where the biggest checkoff Q was: Who's got change for a hundred? A fifty?
Went to TF. Had a point system for everything from 193-1 to Treason.
3 Months later, here comes the Italian Stallion. One month later, he requests to go back to the ghetto. I knew the guy, and couldn't help but ask, "Why?"
Simple; "Can't make no Cadillac payments with TF points!"
EB has lotsa clout, Always a real po po, which means political police. His clout on the job was a swim coach. The Mayor's swim coach, o' course.
I am the person who started the Seiser comments ( which I admit to stealing from Chuck Norris )several years ago, before the Department banned SCC on it's computers. I was sitting there bored one morning, after hearing a bunch of them on Mancow ( before he got dumped from FM ) and I started the madness.
The person who is butchering them over the last several days/threads, PLEASE STOP. It has run it's course. You are too late to this party...
...but we all know that Seiser still runs it!
1/20/2009 06:43:00 PM
There is definitely more than one person doing the Seiser posts. I am only one of the posters because I have NOT done all or most of them, but I did do the one about the credit score of 1000. Why don't you relax and enjoy the fact that you spawned a SCC Seiser line of interest and well-mannered humor!
Signed,
Forever Yours In Seiser.
Seiser be praised!
All praise Seiser!
OT) I'm a hard working tact guy in a fast district. I was thinking about applying for MSF, but I've been told about 10 po's have recently bailed out of the unit? Why is the unit having ANYONE leaving? At first we were told how awesome the new unit was...now we're seeing an opposite effect.
I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true? I've been wearing a nylon duty belt for a very long time in tact. I don't think that is fair?
Serious replies only please. I want to make the best decision for my wife and kids. I tend to find that disgruntled or former po's in units rarely have anything worthy to tell a guy like me. I've done it all so to speak. You cannot pull the wool over my eyes. Plus, I have many 10th dist tact friends of mine over in MSF, so you cannot bullshit me! Thanks!
1/20/2009 11:40:00 AM
If you've "done it all" than you probably know it all so why ask anyone?
Anonymous said...
"Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
1/20/2009 01:18:00 PM"
With shorter being the qualifying trait?
1/20/2009 04:26:00 PM
The angry inch, a Irish curse.
What total bullshit. Training on this department is a total shambles and is a joke. If a few elite units somehow manage to get some real training I maintain that it only looks and feels good because the training they have received so far in their career has been so poor.
Training begins with FTO's, a complete joke. After one year hiding to save your job, you are now a two year wonder training new recruits. Generations of PO's with poor or no job training except for the academy. How many large departments ignore FTO's? Then inservice training is a joke. But hope is on the way. E learning for everyone. learn on the computer! Learn how to be the police on a computer.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I don't qualify one way or the other...
# # # # # # # # # # # #
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!
You're probably one of the many that come on this job and TRY to live above their means. I'm just hanging around this job for the health insurance. I refuse to pay for it all by myself. Don't hate...
1/21/2009 01:03:00 AM
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And you're probably...no, make that DEFINITELY...one of those coppers that eats only at restaurants that are half-off to the police. On second thought, I'd bet my next two checks ("cause I DO have it like that) that you dine exclusively at the hospitals in your district and the districts bordering yours.
You're just another inclusion in the once-brilliant diamond that used to be the proud CPD. An obvious dull spot that draws negative attention to our organization. I just KNOW that you're one of those cheap fuckers that bitches at the waitress when there's no discount or "professional courtesy" reflected on the bill. Am I right with my first impression of you? Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Coppers like you are pathetic.
And you're "hanging around this job for the health insurance"? Don't worry so much about that issue...you'll probably have bought the farm before you collect your first check as a retiree; that's what all that free hospital food'll get ya!
P.S. - Don't forget to stop by the 7-11 in uniform on your way home tonight so you can put the arm on the clerk for a free hotdog that's been spinning on the rollers for 22hours and a "complimentary" size coffee to wash it down.
Weiss to leave in/by March of 2009
I am so tired of the Seiser crap too. NOT funny anymore. How about a ban SCC?
Anonymous said...
"I also hear we cannot wear nylon duty belts and MUST purchase leather duty belts. Is this true?"
Nylon duty wear has NEVER been permitted for patrol duty. Obviously, the bosses where you work aren't that observant.
1/20/2009 10:52:00 PM
I wear nylons with my duty belt. Now kiss me spankdaddy.
I just measured my @#!% 14 inches. Is that good.
Keesing Bandit?
J Fed?
1/20/2009 04:01:00 PM
It's good if the 14" was all yours. But you can't use your softball teams' cummulative length.
Anonymous said...
"Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
1/20/2009 01:18:00 PM"
With shorter being the qualifying trait?
1/20/2009 04:26:00 PM
It would (wood) depend on who your boss is. Little roosters (cock)don't care for BIG roosters.
Operational Services for 1000 Alex
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
1/20/2009 01:18:00 PM"
With shorter being the qualifying trait?
1/20/2009 04:26:00 PM
The angry inch, a Irish curse.
1/21/2009 04:49:00 PM
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Yes, but made up with a larger liver.
Gives the Feds and the Department more reason to pry into your personal life... and you just gave them the ok.
"Next thing they'll be measuring the length of your penis
as a (dis)qualifying trait.
With shorter being the qualifying trait?
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The angry inch, a Irish curse.
025 comes up short again.
And you're probably...no, make that DEFINITELY...one of those coppers that eats only at restaurants that are half-off to the police...
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I'm starting to feel sorry for your dumb ass. If you have to tell me you have it like that you’re wasting your time. Just so you know unless those places deliver to HQ I can't remember if ever while working in uniform I'd even bother with the half off places. Now why bother stopping at seven eleven on my way home. For someone who is willing to bet you sure know about all the hand out locations. At one point everyone is proud but if you haven’t had to sit thru the entire BS and have the department treat you like shit when your word means nothing next to the fine citizen whose rape sheet is longer than the toilet paper you use to wipe your ass your damn right I will do nothing. Unless you know what it feels like to walk around with a f@@@’en green card for an ID don’t say shit. I have seen how this department treats the no clout P.O. Talk to someone that’s been there and if you need an explanation as to what I mean no clout will get 30 pending while the connected will only get 5-10days for the same violation and if they grieve it guess what they’re facing half the time. I won't bother getting into the story of the two yr wonders everyone knows those stories and if your still in denial open up a thread SCC so this fool can see why officers like myself feel the way we do. While I'm just around for my insurance many are just waiting for a buyout.
P.S. I don't wear a uniform and don't remember the last time I did.
1/22/2009 12:58:00 AM
Your discourse is well written, truthful and defines one of the most profound problems facing the CPD.
The administration of unfair, unequitable and arbitrary discipline is by far; the leading killer of morale on the CPD.
Nobody will work anymore, because they fear being the next 30-day pending case.
In the last few years, there have been dozens of solid coppers thrown to the wolves. There are lots of PO's that have been crucified because they lacked clout. I will not be one and I don't blame anyone for doing what they have to do, to survive. Answering your calls and no more, is a means of survival on the CPD now.
Nobody wants to face an unjustified indictment, civil suit, defamation of character in the print and air media, suspension, stripping, ARPS, loss of OT and Special Employment, attorney fees, divorce, sleepless nights, psychological assessment, mandatory physical, Behavior Alert, Personnel Concern, prison, probation, loss of a career, etcetra.
If you don't see the light, take a look at Bill Cozzi!
Stay Safe!
When this department turned on its officers they sounded the death knell of the CPD.
You reap what you sow!
What is unjustly done to one, affects all.
Roll Call
Boss, "Go get the numbers!"
PO, "Yes Sir."
Boss, "What is this CR# and lawsuit PO?"
PO, "I don't know, I was just doing my job, you said you wanted activity."
Boss, "Report to IAD and give me your star,shield and ID." "I never told you to do any such thing." "You are now assigned to ARPS and are 30 Pending."
PO, "WTF, this is how it really is?" "I never believed it could happen to me or that it really happened."
The above simulated dialogue is not indicative of the attitudes of all exempts, only the vast majority today.
Remember boys and girls it is all legitimate. You can rob Starbucks and kill people if you have the right clout.
If you slap a drunk resister you get indicted.
If you are suffering the affects from a previous stroke and forget to pay for a bag of chips, you are fired.
If you are off-duty and are the third man on a car with officers involved in a high profile CR#, you are fired.
So, Jody, now that you've suceeded in sending Bill Cozzi to the federal pen, single handedly eviscerating the morale of what was once the finest police department in the world, and allowing the thugs and gangbangers to reclaim the streets, what's next? White flags for the antenna of every police vehicle? You should hang that giant melon of yoru in shame, take your Judas ransom, and flee into the night.
Obama is now president?
"I am so disgusted by another rule that applies to most in the department, but does not apply to exempt."
The credit check applies to Captains-who are considered exempt (i.e. appointed) since the 90's....you don't test for captain like in the old days-you are appointed. When the captains unionized many years ago, they sold out the testing process for a one time payment of - something like $17,000 or $18,000.
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