Jury Failure
Today, the same Cook County jury that found the Chicago man guilty of raping and killing 11 women on the South Side in the 1990s decided to spare his life.
Rather than recommend the death penalty, jurors decided Crawford should remain in prison for the rest of his life.
Dead bang on 11 murders and he'll get to live out his days on our dime. Maybe it's time to look at professional juries and super-majority rules (10-2, 11-1) for Death Penalty applications instead of unanimous findings because one or two bleeding heart liberal types can muck up what should be an easy decision to put down mad dog killers.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
34 Comments:
NO such thing as life without parole......he'll be up for parole in 10 years.
Vicious people, like vicious dogs, need to be put down for everybody else's sake.
As I posted before, we all have a horror story about a jury. Just part of the job. The problem is when some over ambitious govenor sets this guy free in the years to come. Life should mean "life"!
I have some serious issues with the death penalty. Many prosecutorial fuckups out there.
That being said this asshole certainly deserves a lethal injection as there is no question as to his guilt.
Ha gotta love liberals.
same thing can happen with the terror trials in ny. thanks to obama and durbin.
That death chamber down at Tamms supermax just sits there gathering dust.
Then again, execution by lethal injection is a pussy's way to die.
Only 35 states still legally have death by execution--all lethal injection.
Where's "Ol' Sparky", the gas chamber at San Quentin, the noose and the firing squads of yesteryear?
Maybe it is better that those normally condemned just rot in a cell 24/7. No human contact, mail or visitors whatsoever. Dog food dispensed on a tray through a slot three times a day. No TV, radio or reading matter. Just death screams played non-stop in their cells at 100 decibels. Fuck this "cruel and unusual punishment" bullshit.
Given a choice, I'd prefer to be impaled on a 10 foot pike in agony until I bled out rather than "live" under such conditions.
Lethal injection should only be used on beloved dying pets.
I have, as a hobby, studied Capital Punishment from sentence imposition to actual witnessing of a few executions(Gas, Injection and the last electrocution in Georgia) I agree that liberals will throw a wrench in the mix. Based on the MERITS of the case as presented by the State,this is a high determinate factor as to the imposition of the Death Penalty.(how well the State sells the "rabid dog that must be put down" strategy. Remember also that the Judge can over ride the jury and impose the Death Penalty as well. While its true that the Defendant in this matter is a rabid dog and needs to be put down, it would appear that the Prosecutor didnt deliver his argument so that it stuck the appropriate nerve with the jury.
And not to correct a poster here but there IS such a thing as Life Without Parole. Happens all the time in Louisiana,Alabama,Mississippi,Georgia
In Illinois however you are correct. LWOP generally equals about 10-15 years before the person is eligible for parole. The imposition of the Death Penalty in Illinois is flawed but equally flawed is the Corrections System,Judiciary, juries, and the Prosecutors.All these flaws play an integral part in the failings of a Death Sentence in Illinois.
And Im PRO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT before the flames start. When the last cop killer came before a judge and was facing a Death Sentence what happened? Life. Yet ANOTHER failing on the States Attorneys Office.However kill an Officer in the South? PLAN ON being strapped down and gassed or injected. Different world down there.Better world down there.
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Anonymous said...
NO such thing as life without parole......he'll be up for parole in 10 years.
Vicious people, like vicious dogs, need to be put down for everybody else's sake.
12/19/2009 12:49:00 AM
In Illinois the penalty just below death is "life without possibility of parole."
Read that again, especially the "without possibility of parole" part.
The only way out is for some softball governor (we have them all the time) to reduce the sentence.
Studies have actually shown that once you count the cost of all the appeals (judge's time, prosecutor's time, etc, etc), it's cheaper to just lock them up for life. But, as David points out, that has to mean for LIFE, not let out earlier.
But as of 9 a.m. Sunday, the state's attorney's office still hadn't approved charges since he hadn't been interviewed. So police, relying on ballistics tests and witness statements, took advantage of a rarely used police order and charged Amison themselves.
But those charges didn't hold up at a noon bond hearing Sunday, when an assistant state's attorney rejected them because the case was still under investigation. Amison, still hospitalized at the time, was technically free, the police source said.
But state's attorney's office spokeswoman Sally Daly said Friday that Amison would not have been able to go free.
"He remained hospitalized in custody. He should have still been under police custody regardless because he was a suspect in a murder,'' Daly said. She said it was "unheard of'' for police to bring charges in such a case.
Someone should explain to the Cook County State Attorney's Office spokeswoman what the definition of "Nolle Pros" is!
Useless ass jury, how many people do you have to kill in Illinois, before there is justice, evidently 11 isn't enough, how about a bakers dozen....pathetic
Yes dumb ass there is LIFE without Parole. If you went to court once or twice in your career you would know that.
maybe he has changed already ????
This fucking Cook County is so fucked up it is no longer amusing. 11 murders and a celly who got boogered while this clown was awaiting trial. Unbelievable!!!! Only Cook County folks. Keep voting democrat and everything that was once considered fucked up and broken is now considered the norm.
no outcry when jury found oj not guilty
I don't consider myself liberal at all but I don't like the death penalty. I think it's a quick and easy punishment for someone I'd like to see suffer. In fact, I rather enjoy the thought of this animal stuck in a tiny cage with nothing for as long as possible.
I prefer that he rots with the other scum. It costs the taxpayers a lot less to let him sit than trying to kill him 20 years down the road.
I am sending this to you from prison. Crawford will be a celebrity in prison. The warden will bring civilian people and politicians to his cell to meet him during prison tours. He will get amenities. Cable TV, a computer, internet access, mail from women who want to correspond, meet him. Conjugal visits, maybe. Private eating area with food brought to his cell. He will be able to walk in population with a reputation and as a celebrity. No one will bother him. He will get pro bono en banc hearings in a few years, and will probably walk. He will be able to educate hinmself, and improve his health markedly through exercise. There are many muslims in prison who would wish to counsel and help him.He just has to learn how to work and how it work.
Public hangings! Bring them back.
We concur with SCC... Professional juries are the answer as the jury pool in Cook County is shallow as a raindrop and has been dumbed down beyond recognition as to the intent of trial by jury being a cornerstone of a free republic. The other cornerstone is a clear eyed, level headed, educated and responsible citizenry. This being Chicago - Cook County, Illinois; the powers that be prefer a dumbed-down, uninformed, short attention span having citizenry.
Our dime would also be funding his years of appeals and lawsuits over legality of the death penalty, which in the long run, may outweigh the cost of keeping him alive in prison for the rest of his life.
There is no justice in Cook County because the vast majority of people who live in Cook County (white and black) do not deserve justice. They do not demand justice for their neighbors, therefore they get no justice for themselves. And they shouldn't.
This is a democrat paradise. Always has been, always will be. Justice is based on how people feel, not what people do. He didn't get the death penalty because certain jurors were focused on how THEY felt about it. These jurors, like most of their fellow Cook Countians, felt no obligation to demand justice DESPITE their personal feelings.
A democrat paradise uses government to feed selfishness. On what I can get at my neighbor's expense. On how I can get my problem solved, rather than solving the problem.
We vote for corrupt mayors and corrupt aldermen because we think somethings in it for us. It's a place where everyone cheats and, as a result, they all get less. As they should.
Those victims failed to cooperate with police when other people were victimized. Their families left crimes unreported. The ASAs have left crimes uncharged. Judge Clay has let guilty people go free.
This criminal not getting the death penalty in a Cook County courtroom IS justice. The people of this county do not seek justice and now they get none. That is justice.
Obviously, the "hold out juror(s)" are life members of the SPCA.
After the Brown's Chicken trial, I heard that in Illinois death penalty cases, death penalty opponents are excused from jury duty.
The liberal juror(s) who fell for Crawford's "abused childhood", etc., should read these:
article 1
article 2
article 3
What did you expect from a Crook County jury? Justice? Never, not in this county.
11 victims are sure to have a combined force of at least 100+ inside, that'll do him like they did Jeffrey Dahmer.
Probably will happen a lot faster than Illinois would have ever gotten around to it. Bet!
Only the victims receive the death penalty.
To 8:30 and 11:04 If there is truly life without Parole, then why did 75 coppers just go downstate to keep a cop killer in jail?
That particular animal was on a commuted death sentence (from the 70s) after killing a CPD officer in '69. Gov Walker made him life without parole--funny how he comes up on a parole hearing every 4 years since then.
The sentence may be life without parole, but they all come up for parole,, William Heirens comes up for parole,,even Richard Speck came up for Parole. The I-57 murderers come up for parole. I can go on and on......
and 11:04, I guaran-fuckin-tee I spend more time in court than you can ever think of.
Our dime would also be funding his years of appeals and lawsuits over legality of the death penalty, which in the long run, may outweigh the cost of keeping him alive in prison for the rest of his life.
12/19/2009 01:55:00 PM
Solution : (Especially in this case, as slam dunk as it is) Skip the nonsense appeals and waiting period. Walk him out of the court room after verdict and stand in a pine box. One .45 ACP to the skull and let him drop into the box. Cost: One .45 ACP round = about .50cents.
10-4 He will definately be up for parole in 10 years. This is the exact reason these animals get second, third, fourth chances and get recycled back onto the streets where we have to deal with them. And then the public want to say that its the Policeman's fault our community is so messed up!!
To 8:30 and 11:04 If there is truly life without Parole, then why did 75 coppers just go downstate to keep a cop killer in jail?
That particular animal was on a commuted death sentence (from the 70s) after killing a CPD officer in '69. Gov Walker made him life without parole--funny how he comes up on a parole hearing every 4 years since then.
The sentence may be life without parole, but they all come up for parole,, William Heirens comes up for parole,,even Richard Speck came up for Parole. The I-57 murderers come up for parole. I can go on and on......
and 11:04, I guaran-fuckin-tee I spend more time in court than you can ever think of.
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In August of 1995, Illinois violent crime sentences were changed.
Passed was a Truth in Sentencing Staute where offenders must serve 100% of a sentence for 1st degree murder.
Also passed was a Great Bodily Harm statute where offenders must serve 85% of their sentence if there is a finding of great bodily harm. The 85% also applies to a series of sex crimes, attempt murder, and agg batt firearm.
The statutes do not apply to people convicted before 1995.
There are no more parole hearings for murderers in Illinois. For that matter, there are no parole hearings for offenders convicted of att murder, agg sex crimes, or other offenses involving great bodily harm.
Look it up:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11084691/FINAL-REPORT-The-Impact-of-Illinois-Truth-in-Sentencing-Law-on
"it would appear that the Prosecutor didnt deliver his argument so that it stuck the appropriate nerve with the jury."
12/19/2009 08:10:00 AM
Soooo, the reason this POS didn't get the DP is simply because the prosecutor didn't argue "forcefully enough"? Did you actually witness said argument? What exactly could this particular prosecutor have done better?
Perhaps the rendering of the verdict had more to do with liberal crazies running rampant throughout Cook County. Just sayin'. Thanks for your input there, Mississippi, but we've got a lot of problems that run much deeper than your Monday morning QB'ing of courtroom personnel's performance.
Thanks for your input there, Mississippi, but we've got a lot of problems that run much deeper than your Monday morning QB'ing of courtroom personnel's performance.
Ok let me micro explain what I meant by that as it is apparent that you Northerners dont "draw". While a typical courtroom fiasco in Cook county is a crying shame and a kick to law enforcements balls,you have to remember that trying to explain PC or Evidence to the AVERAGE WORKING PERSON AKA JUROR is like pissing in the wind. You further have to understand that explaining Aggravating and Mitigating circumstances to a "jury" in Cook County is equally a waste of breath.No I didnt witness the actual court fiasco but HAVE sat thru many many cases in Cook County that were equally or more of a joke than Ive seen in some time. Given that,to make an effective poignant argument so as to CONVICT someone,an ASA in your county has to resort to theatrics and emotional pleas so as to strike the appropriate nerve in the particular case. It SHOULD be based on evidence,statements and other things. Unfortunately it didnt quite go that way. So insofar as "monday night QB ing" is concerned Id say I was pretty much on the mark. I feel for you in Cook County. You have to deal with too many people that simply dont care and are politically placed and collecting a check. Good Luck trying to do what your heart tells you on your job.Ill say a prayer for your frustration..
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