More Dumb Ideas
We really have to see if they'll stream the CompStat meetings online since we're sleeping when they start spouting their insanity. Then we wouldn't have to ask the readers if they saw this:
- At the last comstat meeting, it was determined that in 005, when officers go in with arrests, crime goes up on the beats. Tracy comes up with a plan that they are looking at "marrying" different partners during an arrest. So if two cars come in with different arrests, only one P.O. from each car will stay as the arresting officers and the other 2 P.O.'s will be "married" and go out together back on patrol. WOW! What a brilliant idea! Instead of hiring more cops. Who comes up with this crap??? Oh I know, the inside mice that have never really worked a beat car or made any arrest where the goofball goes nuts or has a CR because of something his partner did. Someone, please make it stop!!!
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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That is insane...What's next 99 on midnights in all districts.
send sneed cameraphone photos from union pier.
Do they understand that "they" have milked the cow dry. Many of us go to work, answer calls, do a contact card, get an event number, go to lunch, do a lunch run for the desk, and nothing more. This new debriefing sh*t is a fricken joke. Sorry self inflicted devastation to the hood rat is no longer a care of mine or to many of my co-workers. Collect a check and count down the days.
What the fuck is the point of that? That makes absolutely no sense? You are still short two fucking police officers during an arrest. I don't car if you take one guy off of a car and send him to help another car. There are still two cops off of the street.
And if they both go out as 10-99 cars what will they be given? The backlog of Number 1 parkers? If there is a battery or a disturbance or a domestic, the dispatcher will take both 99 cars and send them to the job.
Truly, this fucking concept comes from the mind of someone who does not do, or know how to do, police work!!!
Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous!
Here's an idea, the field units make the arrests and the house mouses do the paper work. The field unit does the narrative to establish PC and timeline of events, etc and the secretaries with guns fill in all the other blanks on the reports. That way the field units get out quicker and arrests are still made. I'm sure all the front office dollies would love to do it.
"Tracy comes up with a plan that they are looking at "marrying" different partners during an arrest. So if two cars come in with different arrests, only one P.O. from each car will stay as the arresting officers and the other 2 P.O.'s will be "married" and go out together back on patrol. WOW! What a brilliant idea!"
so, then, this means the rest of the tour will be considered as the honeymoon?
Concubines? YAY!
Also...We should tie tin cans and ribbons on the cruisers and make up "Just Married" signs to hang on the back.
This way everyone will know and we can blow our horns in celebration.
Why not have arrest teams in the districts to help w/ processing/inventory/complaints to speed the process?
EEEEEE-FUCKING-GADS!
The wall collapses from the amount of shit fling against it trying to see if some actually sticks!
Is there anyone capable of tossing a flag and calling a foul on the playing field?
I'm a sergeant who works there, this will not occur while I'm working.
how about stream lining arrest procedures!SHORTEN THE ARREST REPORTand have an arrest processing team to run people ,complete case,complaints etc...!
there is no time saved sinc it will no take twice as long to process the paperwork since only one officer will be doing it. And what happens when one beat finishes the paper before the other?
Dumb
Please stop hurting us. Partners process the entire arrest. The issues in court are too great to cut corners on this one.
So let me get this straight...two cars , let's call them by XX12 and XX13, both go in on arrests. Half of each car go in to do the paper, and the other halves jump onto one car and go back on the street. Whose beat are they going to cover? 12's? 13's?? Cover both??? What's their call numbers? How's that gonna work with the zone and pdt's? Here's another question...XX12 and XX33 get arrests at the same time. Their beats are on opposite ends of the district. Do they cover 12's beat or 33's? What if the new "married", paired up car gets an arrest while they are together? What happens if they get an arrest, when another car gets one too? Do they then split up and now "marry" another car? Sounds like poligamy!!! Or cell division in 5th grade science class. Maybe that's where they came up with this idea. Just when you thought the dumbest idea ever was introduced, they go ahead and top it.
Now that's too dumb to be real. Gotta be a joke, right?
I have a better idea ..when a car comes in with an arrest the "policy " makers will take that car back out and cover the beat until the real police are able to return oh wait the policy makers can't go they have imaginary VIP paperwork to s1huffle.... SMBD ...hey McIdea I told u before I know how to fix this mess ...remember me now?
Wait a minute......there's a fifth district?!
Tracy who? Who is the "Tracy" mentioned? Are they just grabbing any idiot who walks around down at 35th St and telling them to make shit up? This is too much. I work 2nd watch. Am I to go through life and never get married? Who is going to marry me if we are all on one person cars? Does anyone not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give me a reach-around?
Yeah, he said this. He also said that contact cards continue to be 'low.' He (Tracey) said that he's been out on Fri and Sat nights and he's seen that officers have down-time between calls - even on busy nights - and that they can be writing contact cards during these periods.
So, basically what he and the supe are saying is that you need to be humping for every minute of each hour of the tour. 100 call backlog, 12 calls pending in your stack, in-progress one after another - but if somewhere after chasing that radio for 4 straight hours you actually get 20 minutes of peace, fuck you getting to clear your mind or gather your shit during that 20 mins. No no - you need to be scrambling to generate contact cards.
These bosses want to work you to the bone. And there are too many commanders and command-staff wannabe's that will take the Gospel according to Jersey and spread it like a pox.
Hey, just because I've slept w/a few of my coworkers doesn't mean I have to marry them.
So if this happens I can tell 'birds "naw man, he jus my play-partner."
How about just dont make any arrests?
Tell this Idiot Tracy to "shut the fuck up"!
She knows nothing of Police work!
She is a Political Dumbass Hack and nothing more!
Da Pelon
I always liked "marrying" a little vodka with tomato juice after a rough night to take the edge off--- what happens when the beat car goes on lunch or they have to go for the pee pee puff puff test or a flat tire--- maybe the xo should come out of his hiding place and cover the beat....
So much for your partner backing up your statement on that CR#.
Arrest teams are one of the worst ideas this department has ever used. It is your arrest, you go in and write it to your satisfaction. Otherwise things get left out or misunderstood. If you want beat cars and tact cars to get back out quickly, open lockups again.
What If I am not attracted to the cop I am marrying??
So when a 10-4 unit gets an arrest and only one officer does all of the paperwork, how is officer #2 supposed to testify to anything in court? "Officer, it says on your case report that...." Sorry, but I didn't write the case report and never saw it, as I was told to go back on the street while my partner did all of the paperwork for the arrest that we both did. Also when partner #1 needs to discuss things with partner #2 as the paperwork is being done, it would be a shame if officer #2 didn't have a cell phone and had to come back in to discuss things. Oh and what happens when officer #1, processing an arrest alone, has to go get it approved, or print something out, or get inventory bags etc, it's going to suck when the 2 p/os working the district desk have to keep leaving to babysit prisoners.
DUMB and DUMMER:
Most coppers might agree that one out of the two pos in any car is smarter and more able in "processing" than the other.
For example: great typist, knows the law and how to include probable cause in a written report, highly literate and can write a flowing and "testifyable" report for future hearings, and knows how to keep both officers out of IAD by covering the ass in writing.
No doubt both officers are capable of doing all of these BUT one is always more efficient, faster, and just plain smarter and more organized.
This is not meant to demean the other officer in any way. In fact, with this scenario the other officer in this same case tends to be the more street wise and uses better instinctive judgment on the beat from day to day. Not to leave out better eyes and more physically adept. It just seems to work that way in an aggressive car with good arest records. These are the guys and gals who bring in the part I's and seem to be able to get the real bad guys more often than others.
Sure there are cases that both partners are equally matched in all areas, but this is ideal and more often than not rare.
So, what happens when, on the hypothetical arrest mentioned, the two "married" processors are kept in the station and just happen to be the less able processors?
I'd guess you'd have twice the down time for both officers to process these arrests. Therefore defeating the intention to save manpower on the street.
On the plus side, perhaps the newly "married" duo (Batman and Robin") left on the street will bring in twice as many new arrests.
If this happens the city will never afford the court costs for the POs.
You all know that the courts never care about subpoenas to both arresting officers. They always send out two.
Leave the partners alone, don't fix things that are not broken, find some leaders who have been working police not sycophant pimps.
Hire and train.
Stop looking for short cuts to problems, it only deteriorates the entire system.
OUCH !!!
I just had a Mc Brainstorm .
Can you say HELP!! MY GOD STOP ALREADY!! We are short on the street. We are down 3000 officers and we need help. Smoke and mirrors does not work anymore. Look at the daily work sheets in any district and you will see one Sergeant as Station Supervisor and one Sergeant out in the street. There are 99 units on both 1st and 3rd watches. Very dangerous situation people. Call for back up and don't be a hero. Let the back log happen.
Just when ya think you have heard it all,they turn around at 5 times the speed of light with another stupid idea that is not based on experience or common sense....
I have a better solution. Dont arrest anyone. Then you dont have to worry about it.
This is nothing more than CPD-sponsored polygamy! What the sam hill is going on here?
Who comes up with this crap???
Pencil pushers at 35th Michigan! As long as it looks good on paper, it's enforced.
The only "positive" I can see here is four coppers get credit for two heads instead of just one. Court time too, except for the fact that two coppers won't have a clue what to testify about. Then again that really doesn't matter just as long as your numbers are up and the OT gravy train keeps rolling. Nobody gets real jail time here anyway.
Fucking stupid idea? You betcha.
How about we do it like the old TV shows Hill Street Blues or Hawaii Five O? Just bring your arrest to the desk and say "Book 'em Danno."
After every comcrap meeting, I truly believe that NYPD must really suck. These guys we have from the east coast, this is what they offer? Really? What's next, hiring magicians to hypnotize the thugs and order them to behave?
Welcome to the communist run department. Thank all of you for either being too lazy to vote or for voting for the machine. You got what you put into it.
Why does it take four POs to process an arrest?
Anonymous said...
Do they understand that "they" have milked the cow dry. Many of us go to work, answer calls, do a contact card, get an event number, go to lunch, do a lunch run for the desk, and nothing more. This new debriefing sh*t is a fricken joke. Sorry self inflicted devastation to the hood rat is no longer a care of mine or to many of my co-workers. Collect a check and count down the days.
7/21/2012 12:23:00 AM
I bet you never did much work .
Anonymous said...
Here's an idea, the field units make the arrests and the house mouses do the paper work. The field unit does the narrative to establish PC and timeline of events, etc and the secretaries with guns fill in all the other blanks on the reports. That way the field units get out quicker and arrests are still made. I'm sure all the front office dollies would love to do it.
7/21/2012 12:41:00 AM
You might have hit on something. Have a civilian secretary in each district to complete your paperwork. The arrest report, case report and court papers. You can speak into a recorder when you bring your prisoner in the station and then come back later to sign the reports. You sir, are a genius !!!
When you read many of the reports written by officers today, you wonder where they got their education. base on the amount of information in these reports it cant take more then 15 minutes to write them.
I'm a sergeant who works there, this will not occur while I'm working.
7/21/2012 01:21:00 AM
I am your Superitendent. You will do as I command you. In an effort to have as many patrol cars on the street at all times, marriages will be part of the CPD's SOP, effective immediately.
Marriage ceremonies will be performed as expeditiously as possible and without delay at the front desk by the on-duty XO, or the acting or assigned District Commander, as soon as personnel are available to be married. The ceremony will be in accordance with the laws of the state of Illinois, the county of Cook and the city of Chicago and will be as brief as possible, but never longer than 2 minutes for completion.
Marriages will not be delayed because of either or both available personnel's off-duty marital status or preferences for race, color, sex, creed, physical attributes, attractiveness or religion. Without exception, marriages will be performed on a 'first to show, first to go' basis.
Subsequently and without delay, the union will be consummated immediately and as quickly as humanly possible, certainly taking no longer than 5 minutes and preferably taking place in the prowler, but no farther than 50feet from the police facility, regardless of the place chosen. Physical acts and positions for consummation will be negotiated between the married partners.
All disagreements between married partners, including the chosen location for consummation, will be decided by the on-duty XO or the acting or assigned District Commander. The on-duty XO or the acting or assigned District Commander will be the final authority and there is no avenue of appeal. Differences between the on-duty XO and the acting or assigned District Commander will be decided by the acting or assigned District Commander.
All of the previously mentioned conditions, plus the inability to phyically or mentally perform as ordered, will not be considered as valid defenses for disobeying this directive.
Garry 'New Yawk' McCarthy
Superintendent
Dumb as hell
This is a prime example of POOR MANAGEMENT!!!!
Jesus H. Christ... With all the marriages during a shift, the thank you notes [paperwork] will take up to twice as long. And will there be a bridal registry at the station supervisor’s desk somewhere so that guests will know what to give? Trying to figure out the clusterf*ck for court will be beyond any gold star’s power of mental abilities.
the implication is they are in need of more pos. better yet get more cameras. do they realize how many more democratic votes they will lose. although in chicago its not uncommon for the dead to vote. the lady with the camera should be hired, but she needs to know point the camera at criminals.
Good for CR's too.
Which officer exactly was it? A&A's will no longer tell you who was working what car because it will all be a hot mess. Go ahead, check and see if the Sgt. caught the "marriage' and put it on his log. mmmm hmmmm.
Another doofus idea, brought to you by the minds that degrade commanders at comstat! Lets just not arrest anyone, and then cars stay manned, how do you like that idea boss??
. . . and all four officers get subpoenas to the trial
Something for those disabled but still capable of keyboard entry to do.
you're kidding right?
Honestly, the new yorkers have all the answers, just ask them. They've done this all before and we just don't get it. The supt has said that he is going to change policing in this country, and he thinks he has it all figured out! I guess 'f*cking up policing' is still considered a 'change', so I can't call him a liar.
Is this idea from "director" Tracy(i hate cops, especially white ones) Ladner---who is banging this nasty b#!@h--why is she still here-she knows nothing about police work, is a racist and just a plain old dipshit!
Never mind i guess she fits right in!!
How about give every car a "dragon naturally speaking "software, we can dictate the arrest report and case report and email it to the station supervisor.
Oh, my bad, that means we would have working computers!!
Well I have been at 35th and I can tell u that Tracy listens to to his house mice. They are Sgt K.C. AND LT. C.M. Neither one have been on the street in 20 years and they are coming up with this crap. Im glad I got out of that office.
Why don't all p.o. Line up sitting down on a very long bench? Then the dispatcher cound send them out as calls come in,, just like a pizza place. It works for pizza places. Hey, don't get mad at me. I have absolutely NO POLICE EXPERIENCE. Kind of like some supervisors.
Will there be same sex "marriages" in the northside districts?
Time to dust off Blinky Bea's Surveillance Squadrol idea!
Aim that bitch right at the front doors of HQ, wrap the seatbelt around the steering wheel and drop a cinderblock on the gas pedal...
*Cue Laugh Track...*
Well why the fuck not?
The high priced talent at 3510 hasn't come up with an idea yet that wasn't a monumental fail!
Are the muthafuckahs in charge THAT divorced (heh, pun intended) from reality?
Aye... All of this reeks of desperation. Or is it the odor coming from the band hired to play for this festival of fuckery?
The band is composed of the dead and the dying playing frantically for Tracy, McLosthismind, Al "I did it all on my own with no help" Weis-inger and others as they jockey for position, shank each other in the ribs and step on the backs of each other's shoes in hope of having a seat when the music stops playing.
The Blue Suits will do what they do best... Stay the fuck out of the way of these moony muthafucks in charge who want to go out Viking style and take many a copper with them to be their slaves in whatever fucked-up afterlife they envision.
Nuh-uhh new jackson... We have our hands full trying to read through the constant flow of bullshit so we can keep ourselves safe from you bossholes who mean us nothing but hurt and every Cop-Hating scudder motherfucker that shits between two shoes...
Passing chatter from 3510 is there's plenty of shit-talk from gold stars who want retaliation of some sort against The Blue Suits for not supporting the furtherance of fuckery.
Aren't you assholes satisfied with the merit promotions and money you've stolen?
Dishonorable bastards crying like whipped bitches because "those blue shirts won't let us "run-it" the way we wanna run-it."
Fuck youz and your clout.
Get some integrity and maybe you won't be the cause of this Department stinking nationwide...
The only integrity left is in the trenches where the Blue Suits are...
Integrity dictates we don't hold ourselves as cheap sacrifice for your comfort and convenience.
Why don't YOU fools take one for the team?
Or are you too important?
Or is sacrifice only good for the guys in the trenches?
So the question is now,
"Do we, or do we not take the advise of the galagtically stupid?!?!"
"your honor, I don't recall the details in this report...you see, after the arrest was made and the offender transported into the station, I WAS INSTRUCTED TO GO BACK OUT ON AGGRESSIVE PATROL...I wasn't privy to these reports, my recollection of the events leading up to the arrest differ from those written here..."
FInding of NOT guilty by reason of a really, really STUPID G.O.!!!
Since all the Real Bosses retired, it has and will only get worst. Count how many commanders and above never really worked the streets. We see it every day with decisions being made that do not make any sense.
Please pull some po's from 019 district. They have 400 officers. 60 tact officers 6 tac sgts. 2 tact secretaries. While the Rest of the city is in a backlog!!
You might have hit on something. Have a civilian secretary in each district to complete your paperwork. The arrest report, case report and court papers. You can speak into a recorder when you bring your prisoner in the station and then come back later to sign the reports. You sir, are a genius !!!
7/21/2012 09:57:00 AM
Ain't that a 3-60 kick in the head? That's exactly how they did it in the 1940's-1950's!
All of the previously mentioned conditions, plus the inability to phyically or mentally perform as ordered, will not be considered as valid defenses for disobeying this directive.
Garry 'New Yawk' McCarthy
Superintendent
7/21/2012 09:59:00 AM
do i have to pay for my own condoms?
I bet you never did much work .
7/21/2012 09:55:00 AM
i bet you never did any.
Why does it take four POs to process an arrest?
7/21/2012 09:52:00 AM
why does it take half a dozen knuckleheads to post a dumb question?
This is nothing more than CPD-sponsored polygamy! What the sam hill is going on here?
7/21/2012 09:19:00 AM
we've become the love boat.
What If I am not attracted to the cop I am marrying??
7/21/2012 08:25:00 AM
picky, picky, picky......
Anonymous said...
Well I have been at 35th and I can tell u that Tracy listens to to his house mice. They are Sgt K.C. AND LT. C.M. Neither one have been on the street in 20 years and they are coming up with this crap. Im glad I got out of that office.
7/21/2012 12:41:00 PM
Sounds like you've been buried at 35th Street for a long time. Sgt. K.C. was a tact sgt. and a gang sgt. within the past 7 years. Then she went to work for Tobias about 4 years ago. She's good people. Fuck you.
@ 7/21/2012 09:59:00 AM...
Some of the funniest shit ever...
Hey, just because I've slept w/a few of my coworkers doesn't mean I have to marry them.
7/21/2012 07:09:00 AM
just a couple, cupcake?
why be so modest?
Does anyone not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give me a reach-around?
7/21/2012 06:00:00 AM
no.
This way everyone will know and we can blow our horns in celebration.
7/21/2012 12:50:00 AM
this is a euphemism, right?
How about midgets do I have to marry a midget?
After every comcrap meeting, I truly believe that NYPD must really suck. These guys we have from the east coast, this is what they offer? Really? What's next, hiring magicians to hypnotize the thugs and order them to behave?
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Yeah but think about all the nitwits we have sent to be Chiefs of other departments...
Hey 1241pm,
We know who you are and its not working. If you were really the person you claim to be, then you would've written the initials correctly. Get over it sarge!
Tracy is not Tracy Ladner, it's Tracy, confidant to McG, part of the NY/NJ triumvirate of McGarry, Gus the Chief of Staff, and Tracy. Three geniuses.
To the broken record about the 019 district. GFY
The minutes for the compstat meetings are on the dept intranet. Go to 'bureau sites,' then 'office of crime control strategies.' On the top of their page is a 'compstat resources' button that takes you to the minutes for all the meetings. You can read this shit and the bosses comments for yourself.
what if they divorce ?
what if one gets an order of protection and they are subpoenaed to court?
who gets the kids?
will the "wife" get the other guys house in a settlement after divorce?
just curious
We absolutely need to hire more Officers. We also need to get rid of the dead weight. People who come to work with no intention of doing a G** D*** thing, every fricking day. You know, the one's who don't back people up, stay on a paper job for an hour or more..You know who I'm talking about...
Oh I think a light bulb just went off in my head....I got one great idea,simply hire to new officers at half the hourly rate as a 20-25 or 30yr retired veteran,you get twice as much work,more bodies on the street at no extra cost,the public is happy cause they see fresh young enthusiastic go getting police, verses a tired burnt out veteran who could care less what you do cause I'm leaving soon,very soon and that's all I have!
If your not attracted your still getting......f......d!
Tried that marriage thing twice. Didn't work out so it's not for me. I'll ride 99 off into the sunset
For anyone in patrol administration looking to present an idea as your own, here it is. Implement a four point approach to improve officer efficiency.
1. 10 New computers in each district along with replacing the current, worn out printers. 4 in processing, 3 in Tact, 1 at the Desk Sgt, 1 at Desk Officer, 1 at DSS. 3 new high use printers. The lack of functioning computers is one of the biggest problems at the district level.
2. Pay to get the upgrade or fix the in-car computers. Right now better than half of the cars in my district lose case reports in AIRA or automated contact cards. I've noticed that every time an officer goes in, for any reason, they are there for almost 45 minutes. I've seen an hour for 2 contact cards because there are no computers working inside either.
3. Pay for software upgrades that will migrate data. On an arrest, we enter the same basic information at least 4 or 5 times. Arrest, case, complaints, inventories, 101's. I've seen arrestee's names spelled 3 different ways in one package.
4. Streamline lockup procedures. My district receives prisoners from another and sometimes I see them in the que for 4 or 5 hours before they get to me. Someone is sitting with this prisoner. This is standard times, not complicated arrests.
Prove to US that you want us to work efficiently by providing us the tools to do it. We in patrol have rolled with some pretty good punches in the last 10 years, but unfortunately we are still using the same equipment.
perfect, which car do they use, which radio call do they use, what do you do with your gear? Fucking Brilliant, I wonder how FUCKED UP, NEW YORK PD is and who dreamed up this comstat.
We absolutely need to hire more Officers. We also need to get rid of the dead weight. People who come to work with no intention of doing a G** D*** thing, every fricking day. You know, the one's who don't back people up, stay on a paper job for an hour or more..You know who I'm talking about...
7/22/2012 02:07:00 PM
yes, i do.
you're talking about yourself.
Chief Bob Tracy is an arrogant prick, and a yes-man to the ultimate arrogant prick.
What about those compstat flukes get back to regular patrol beats and stop wasting payroll with their uselessness? They do nothing but come up with stupid ideas. They forget patrol like always the many things patrol deals with and always making patrol a bad place. Brown noses. Many of those brown noses never did real work and sucked in work ethic in patrol that's why they hide.
I got a better idea. How about not locking anybody up than crime can go up while we drive around in circles looking sharp. After all the only thing they care about is shootings so screw the burglaries, drugs, robberies and thefts.
How about guys not milking the arrest. I see guys that take two hours to get a TVB into lockup or I bonded because they sit around bullshitting so much. Two working cops can get an arrest done and back on the streets relatively quick. Maybe the DSS should get their ass out of the office a little more and light a fire under their behinds. Getting someone who wants to work in lockup wpould help too.
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