The Next Policy Change
Since CPD ends up stealing every new idea that comes out of New York (and stealing NYPD brass, too), we imagine this is going to be a "Next Big Thing" shortly:
- The NYPD is making a big push to bring the city’s rising crime numbers down — and they’re doing it one rookie at a time.
On Tuesday, [New York] CBS 2 [...] spoke exclusively with Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, who outlined his plan.
At the height of the summer, the number of shootings is up 8 percent city-wide from last year. But with a class of 600 cops just graduated from the Police Academy, Bratton is changing things up.
Gone is the practice of putting rookies out on the streets in pairs. Instead, they get a veteran partner to fight crime.
“I had some great partners who really caught me before I started developing bad habits early on in my career,” Bratton said. “I want these young kids as they come out of the academy to have a similar opportunity to learn the right way and if they make a mistake, they have the mistake corrected before the mistake becomes a habit.”
That would seem to be the intent of the FTO program, but directly contrary to what is practiced once the kids head out to "Operation Ghetto Foot Patrol" where they are nearly completely unsupervised in any meaningful sense of the word. It's a miracle none of them have been seriously injured or worse what with the bad habits they are ingraining into their daily routines....like shooting down dark gangways....and being surprised when someone shoots back down the gangway....if you catch our drift. Closer supervision may prevent incidents like these.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
60 Comments:
But wouldn't CPD have to actually hire police in order to implement this? I'm told repeatedly by my alderdouche that there's no money in hiring police but instead, sweet sweet OT money goes to officers.
Allow me to usurp the vernacular of the peasantry...DUH, FUCK AND YEAH! We need real cops to train PPOs to be real cops. "we hold these truths..."
Close supervision on this job is clearly a thing of the past, if it ever existed at all.
"...a class of 600 cops just graduated from the Police Academy"
Seriously, let's hope Chicago picks up on THIS part of the New York strategy.
Speaking as an FTO in a southern dist i believe the program now puts rookies on the streets to look good for the public. How about putting them on the orange line and red line to protect hard working citizens traveling to work. If FTO's are given more tasks give us D2A(against the objections of the dect div-all 75 FTO's getting more pay would constitute an up rising then everyboby will want d2A) signed returning soon to zone 8 air
So NYPD never had an FTO program?
NYPD wrote the book on excellence in policing. NYPD has the answer to all questions. We just need to follow them.
And a real president in office and a real Attorney General might help to. We need more Law Men in the inner city throughout this country. Instead of more Law Men we get 150,000 kids crossing our boarders that the states that they end up in has to pay for. And there goes the money for more Law Men. There is some kind of Immigration plan he has in place to do harm or lets say at the very least change things as we know it.
Recruits are going through three training cycles, each one in a different district for one period. Each district has different rules and procedures, different streets, gangs and issues. So bounce them around and confuse the shit out of them for three months, then throw them on foot in the ghetto to generate contact cards and anovs for another seven months. Then assign them to another district just before probation ends... back to square one... learn new procedures, gangs, streets and faces. What does this accomplish? Jack shit. The districts are still low on manpower, the recruits unlearn everything they almost learned in training but forgot while walking in circles in a box. They will know how to do a correct contact card, thats about it.
Who is running the show up there? This is beyond fucked up. Why not stick the new kids in a district where they are going to stay so they learn it well and actually provide some sort of help instead of bouncing them around for a bit and then sticking them in a box to get you contact cards holding up the radio running twenty fucking names. Some ass backward shit going on here. Foot patrols are a thing of the past in the ghetto. No one wants to "talk to the police". All this community policing bullshit is smoke and mirrors. Hey McFairy... go try talking to some of the wonderful citizens in 007 and see how they react to your community policing strategy. Use community policing where people actually care about their community..... not where we aren't needed. "who shot you?"... "nobody, fuck the police".
Appears NY has sound leadership
I am not an LEO.
I am completely jaw-droppingly amazed that your department (or ANY department) can send out rookie police officers on their own, or with another rookie. What is your leadership thinking? I do not care how much training anyone has, real life is never, ever like the classroom, lab, or simulation.
And you send them into the worst parts of town with the most screwed up people in it? Where police are disrespected by too many, and where violence seems to be a normal daily occurrence? I suppose you assign them to the 2nd and 3rd shifts too? Because everyone knows how much safer things are at night. And how sober people are after dark.
Please tell me you are exaggerating???
600 cops graduating in one class? Wow. It would take the CPD 2 years to graduate that many.
How about operation go to sleep and find a hole rookie lets see how many officers recall these go get them crime fighting fto or old timers when u came on the job hell theres many out there today!
When did we STOP doing that? What's old is new again.
Can we get an Fto to take the 011th district XO out and teach him what police work is really about. He really needs to get a grasp of the realities of the west side. Creating all these rehashed non effective missions from the confines of his office is just plain ridiculous. Work the street for a second so you can understand that you have no comprehension what will work and what won't. Cause doing you 10 missions a day, while responding to jobs just ain't happening.
Recruits are going through three training cycles, each one in a different district for one period. Each district has different rules and procedures, different streets, gangs and issues. So bounce them around and confuse the shit out of them for three months, then throw them on foot in the ghetto to generate contact cards and anovs for another seven months. Then assign them to another district just before probation ends... back to square one... learn new procedures, gangs, streets and faces. What does this accomplish? Jack shit. The districts are still low on manpower, the recruits unlearn everything they almost learned in training but forgot while walking in circles in a box. They will know how to do a correct contact card, thats about it.
Who is running the show up there? This is beyond fucked up. Why not stick the new kids in a district where they are going to stay so they learn it well and actually provide some sort of help instead of bouncing them around for a bit and then sticking them in a box to get you contact cards holding up the radio running twenty fucking names. Some ass backward shit going on here. Foot patrols are a thing of the past in the ghetto. No one wants to "talk to the police". All this community policing bullshit is smoke and mirrors. Hey McFairy... go try talking to some of the wonderful citizens in 007 and see how they react to your community policing strategy. Use community policing where people actually care about their community..... not where we aren't needed. "who shot you?"... "nobody, fuck the police".
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The commentator above hit the nail on the head! I'm an FTO, and my former PPOs who are now in Operation Impact tell me how they have pretty much forgotten all of their field training, since they do are told to do little to no police work while on foot patrol. They are strictly there to be continuous sound bites for the Mayor and Supt.
Continuity in their training and districts of assignments is needed for them to excel, if not at least retain field training.
Came on in 91. Assigned to the ORIGINAL 015 out of the academy Had an awesome FTO. Randy Ugoric. No nonsense, straight by the book. Told me day #1, "Keep your mouth shut & listen". Also told me "For the first four weeks of training, don't you even look at the drivers seat". Pointed out the PO's whose lead I shouldn't follow. As well as the ones I should aspire to be like. If every PPO had an FTO like I had, this dept would be in much better shape, by far. Thanks Randy. Hope retirement is treating you well.
Please...
The last time the bosses pinky-swore to do a thorough re-boot of the FTO program was 1998-2000...
FTO was supposed to be a track for which those who were workers who demonstrated ethical conduct, competence and good judgement were put on to become HRI's and eventually Sergeants.
You know... All that mentoring, teaching and training jazz.
Wouldn't you know it?
The bosses fucked the FTO's around and fucked the program up...
You had to pass a not very hard test and some simple-minds couldn't even do that. They went crying to some of these hack bosses and with a wink and a nod from downtown, made some of these numbskulls "meritorious" FTO.
Bad watch and district commanders ran a lot of good people off the FTO reservation with their shenanigans.
"Fuck you Office... If you don't like how I run MY show, you can quit."
"Thank you for your time Commander."
>Walks to Watch Sec'y Office<
"PAR form please? Thank you."
>Resign as FTO<
"Would you be so kind as to sign this, Commander?"
>Lots of profanity and stupid talk<
But the ignorant SOB signed it.
Fuck him then, fuck him 15 years later, fuck him and other ignorant gold star asses like him forever more.
This department is doomed to keep repeating these cycles of failure as far as any real recruit training.
Pay grades were supposed to be instituted for educational and training/certification achievement too... Fell by the wayside because the clout dummies who needed to take their shoes off to count higher than 10, would've locked out of being able to steal some of that free money.
And their sponsors wouldn't have been easily able to help them steal it either.
Sending good looking kids out there to make the brass look good.
Policing by media.
Garry at the next CompStat: "This would NEVER work in CPD. Recruits with veteran officers? Nah- let's just have another press conference and say crime is down. We haven't done that in a while."
Anyone in 010, 011 or 015 notice all of the brown clowns in the district last night?? Mostly on Roosevelt, Shitheads 10 deep on a corner, and they have 50 year old females pulled over for movers. I know they're not familiar with working in the savages environment but that show of "force" from Tommy was laughable.
Blind leading the Blind.....
Isn't crime up in the NYC area due to the inabilty of police to actually stop suspicious looking people, i.e. profiling?
Yet they're hiring more firemen. Are fires up 20%. Gee, who knew.
It's like the military. The rookies and newbies must undergo their baptism of fire. The strong, agile and tough survive and learn. The weak and slow go under. It has been this way for thousands of years, and it must always be so.
Anonymous said...
I am not an LEO.
I am completely jaw-droppingly amazed that your department (or ANY department) can send out rookie police officers on their own, or with another rookie. What is your leadership thinking? I do not care how much training anyone has, real life is never, ever like the classroom, lab, or simulation.
And you send them into the worst parts of town with the most screwed up people in it? Where police are disrespected by too many, and where violence seems to be a normal daily occurrence? I suppose you assign them to the 2nd and 3rd shifts too? Because everyone knows how much safer things are at night. And how sober people are after dark.
Please tell me you are exaggerating???
7/17/2014 02:26:00 AM
No exaggerating.
Public policy comes directly from City Hall.
Hire more to pay into my pension.
2,000 cut from budget , officers still hiding inside Homan square , district and headquarters . End FTO bs program , let pop work with seasoned officers , a different one every week . Many FTO 's cannot keep a partner .
I have to admit, I don't agree with much you post but this is absolutely the truth. The Officers that come to the watch from 'Foot Patrol' are , for the most part, HORRIBLE. I'm not trying to degrade my fellow Officers but if you didn't know better, you'd bet the barn that they were fresh out of the Academy.....
This system has got to change. These new guys/gals have absolutely no idea what they're doing. And how would they? They spend nine months wandering around and not learning the ins and outs of police work. They are coming to the districts and fucking things up so badly that lawsuits are already in the pipes. They don't understand how to write reports, how to testify in court or how to get the job done with minimal complications. This system is such a joke and people are going to end up getting hurt.
McCarthy is VERY sick. More then he lead everybody to believe. The hard lifestyle he has lived for many years quite frankly has caught up to him. He won't be with CPD for long. Rumor has it that he is going to be a security " Consultant" for Rick Simon. Much less stress and hours. So if the FTO program is going to be revamped, it will have to be done by the next superintendent.
Rahm has no money for hiring more cops, but plenty of money to reward the politicians of the 19th Ward.
Ground broken for $16M rink, gymnastics facility in 19th Ward
BY STEVE METSCH smetsch@southtownstar.com July 16, 2014 6:06PM
Yes, I agree. Continue the foot patrols with one senior officer and one recruit. No one is entitled to have a steady car, despite seniority .
I don't think the NYPD generally has provided the answers to everything. They've generated goofs like Rahm's pet monkey, Timoney (with a mixed record), and a few others.
That said, Bratton is THE best police boss in America for the past few decades, and the previous results in NYC and then in LA under him are basically indisputable. Chicago and its so-called "bosses" have never even come close to producing a Bratton.
The funny thing is, if I have this right, Bratton started in Boston and was brought up under Evans. Evans was a bit controversial, but he was the only other boss in the same league as Bratton.
The weird thing is, its not really that hard. Its just hard to do in Chicago with the politics and the sheep population that puts up with the Daleys and Rahms etc.
When recruits graduate or finish training, they are assigned to a district if FTO's are available. because of a huge shortage of FTO's, classes of recruits instead are either assigned to a impact zone with other recruits or assigned to the loop traffic detail.There are classes of recruits that stay in traffic or in a impact zone for a few months with absolutely no follow up training or very loose supervision. Recruits are told to stay out of trouble, do not get hurt and avoid arrests. After a few months they develop bad habits and very low morale. Then FTO's have to change their behavior. They constantly move recruits around districts. We can only hope the few competent FTO's left can show some guidance and leadership.
For those that have retired or don't know CPD has been sending out recruits to high crime districts to work in "boxes" by themselves. They are assigned a supervisor of sorts but that supervisor is not with them during thier tour. Supervisor just checks on them occassionally.
No FTO trainig as in the past!
It's the New York way .
We were lucky to get some of the good officers assigned to our district once off their probation but some are just complete idiots. I think a few of them think they're actually on a tv show, especially some of the new females. They come to work dressed and made up like it's a night on the town. Seeing them interact with the shit heads, it's like they know them personally and get friendly. The best is when they pose on a corner in the ghetto with their hands on their vests looking cool. Some of the guys think they know everything and throw hissy fits when they don't get the start time they want or when they get assigned a detail out of the district. It's not a tv show. It's real life and you can get killed. Get your heads out of your asses. And when you see fellow officers fighting with an offender, it's now your job to jump in the action, don't stand there and watch!
The City loads up each FTO with 2-3 PPOs then only wants to pay them for one.
015 Dist foot, bring back srgt JFK we miss you
we need more evidence techs and ftos!
No thank you. I am not an FTO.
I am a retired rwith many years of services. I was never a dogass, and wanted to be the police at at very young age. I worked a beat car for 9 months and then was brought down to the Tact Team as furlo relief, I have been involved in many and possibly all of the major happenings in this city, mainly being blessed with being in a specialized unit, once becoming a white shirt I never, repeat never asked any PO to do a job that I wouldn't do myself. Many PO's we taken aback by my helping out thinking I was micro managing. But it was my way of trying to safeguard their well being. I reached mandat5ory retirement age and still had and still do have much energy and steam left to guide young officers, many of our supervisors. Sgts. Lts. Capt. and especially our command Staff don't do this, afraid of a pay grade change I guess. But remember a Sgt. or Lt. can't be demoted without a battle the dept. wouldn't win. The caliber of White shirts is depressing,don't want the paperwork, just the pay raise. but dummies, remember white shirt Sgts. get overtime too. I left with a comfortable sum of money. Bottom line is that this job is putting our rookies in harms way with all the foot patrol with just a periodic check by a Sgt. And Sgts. shame on you if they get hurt because of laziness. Fuck your W/C. c heck on these officers, they need to return home safe at the end of the tour just like you bosses. STAY SAFE
7/17/2014 02:06:00 AM
Anonymous said...
I am not an LEO.
I am completely jaw-droppingly amazed that your department (or ANY department) can send out rookie police officers on their own, or with another rookie. What is your leadership thinking? I do not care how much training anyone has, real life is never, ever like the classroom, lab, or simulation.
And you send them into the worst parts of town with the most screwed up people in it? Where police are disrespected by too many, and where violence seems to be a normal daily occurrence? I suppose you assign them to the 2nd and 3rd shifts too? Because everyone knows how much safer things are at night. And how sober people are after dark.
Please tell me you are exaggerating???
7/17/2014 02:26:00 AM
We know you're not a LEO because the first and third shifts are where they do. Remember we don't close..1st watch is graveyard not during morning rush hour.
Closer supervision may prevent incidents like these.
If by closer supervision, you mean Sgt's chasing me down wanting me to sign a form saying I watched streaming video training that they know I never watched, then we have acheived our goals.
For those that have retired or don't know CPD has been sending out recruits to high crime districts to work in "boxes" by themselves. They are assigned a supervisor of sorts but that supervisor is not with them during thier tour. Supervisor just checks on them occassionally.
No FTO trainig as in the past
Not sure you got that right. They go through their 3 month FTO cycle and then go out on the foot patrols. They are still ppo's but have had their 3 month FTO cycle.
How about hire real cops and let them do real police work.Back their play amd do not cater to the revs.
Downsize these specialized Units like Narcotics.... Way too many PO's .. They can manage with half the size of that Unit!!!!
Most of this lunacy can be credited to Super Chief Robert Tracy.
Ha I don't think it is a good idea to put the new kids with us old timers. Many of us do the minimum because we want to retire with a smooth transition and not caught up with red tape (open cr#'s, bad time, etc). Train more FTO's or pay oldtmers that want to work with these kids and show them the ropes. I for one don't want to be bothered with babysitting a new kid. I like the way I manage my day and I don't need some gung-ho kid taking me on a roller coaster ride all day.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's like the military. The rookies and newbies must undergo their baptism of fire. The strong, agile and tough survive and learn. The weak and slow go under. It has been this way for thousands of years, and it must always be so.
7/17/2014 08:10:00 AM
Just because 'we've always done it that way' doesn't make it right.
Two years on and i already have zero respect or confidence in our supterintendent. Foot patrol was the most fucked up thing i couldve thought they would have had us doing. Don't get me wrong foot patrol might might work in certain circumstances, but sending us out right after our cycles and then not going on calls with a veteran officer for guidance for up to 8 months of course we are gonna forget most of our training
Screw ny and their policies. Chicago and New York are two very different cities. Mcdrunk has not figured that lit yet.
We know you're not a LEO because the first and third shifts are where they do. Remember we don't close..1st watch is graveyard not during morning rush hour.
7/17/2014 12:29:00 PM
Clear as mud. I'm sure he really understands the watch system now.
When recruits graduate or finish training, they are assigned to a district if FTO's are available. because of a huge shortage of FTO's, classes of recruits instead are either assigned to a impact zone with other recruits or assigned to the loop traffic detail.There are classes of recruits that stay in traffic or in a impact zone for a few months with absolutely no follow up training or very loose supervision. Recruits are told to stay out of trouble, do not get hurt and avoid arrests. After a few months they develop bad habits and very low morale. Then FTO's have to change their behavior. They constantly move recruits around districts. We can only hope the few competent FTO's left can show some guidance and leadership.
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This is incorrect. PPO's are not sent out to impact until they complete the training cycles. They are sent to Special Functions unit and Loop Traffic to stand on michigan avenue and deter iphone thefts.
The kids on Operation impact are working alone even though BOP orders PPO's not to work with other PPO's when they hit the watch. What does that tell you? BOP Chief knows damn well they aren't ready to work alone but they are okay with them riding around stopping people while on Operation Impact? How does this make any sense?
This is truly a case of the blind leading the blind from top to bottom.
If we follow NY and their nonsense than give us Residecy like they got
This system has got to change. These new guys/gals have absolutely no idea what they're doing. And how would they? They spend nine months wandering around and not learning the ins and outs of police work. They are coming to the districts and fucking things up so badly that lawsuits are already in the pipes. They don't understand how to write reports, how to testify in court or how to get the job done with minimal complications. This system is such a joke and people are going to end up getting hurt.
Nothing beats the foot patrol PPO's calling for a paper car.
Two years on and i already have zero respect or confidence in our supterintendent. Foot patrol was the most fucked up thing i couldve thought they would have had us doing. Don't get me wrong foot patrol might might work in certain circumstances, but sending us out right after our cycles and then not going on calls with a veteran officer for guidance for up to 8 months of course we are gonna forget most of our training
Get some time on before you start judging the supt. And if you forget all your training in 8 months, you will have forgotten it no matter where you were sent.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/20/rookie-cop-has-teeth-knocked-out-by-marijuana-suspect/
Most of these FTO's are the ppl no one wants to partner with. That should tell you about person. My FTO was a complete DOG! Didn't clear himself from jobs, avoided hand wavers, was on his phone more than he was doing police work. It's not easy to learn about the job when your FTO is not doing any work....
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