Shooting Investigations Memo (UPDATES)
Here it is if you haven't seen it:
Interesting times as the Chinese proverb says - interesting times indeed.
Interesting times as the Chinese proverb says - interesting times indeed.
UPDATE: Here's the Sun Times and Tribune articles. Frank Main actually credits the blog (so did the Tribune), he does some research, and then he throws in the Ferguson card:
- Chicago Police officers fatally shot 13 people last year and 10 this year through Aug. 24, records show. Most of those killed were African-American.
Really Frank? "Most"? How about pointing out the actual racial totals if you're going to go that route? And then maybe you could be brave the way Eric Holder wants you to be brave and open the discussion, "Why are so many black folks (and people) pointing guns at the police, shooting other black people (and folks), stabbing, beating, robbing and burglarizing." Or are Holder's words just so much bullshit propaganda and he doesn't really want anyone asking those questions lest they get answers the progs don't want to hear?
Don't answer that Frank - it's rhetorical.
UPDATE: To the unpublished "prover v proffer:"
Don't answer that Frank - it's rhetorical.
UPDATE: To the unpublished "prover v proffer:"
- He is advising to have a witness on YOUR side, to "prove" what you are saying/have said - and how you said it.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
63 Comments:
I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
Interesting how the Feds want to investigate CPD shootings.... Yet not a peep or update on the old lady they shot at Roosevelt and Ashland
Very good advice in that letter...
You might tell them the truth but leave out something that they didn't ask about so you have withheld information. And they can be as inaccurate as they want to be. They can screw you and go believe some gangbanger coached by some lawyers trying to cash the ghetto lottery ticket.
Remember what we were reminded during the Jody Weis era...
NEVER TRUST A FED.
Stay Safe. Here is some more good advice from a lawyer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgDsbjAYXcQ
As always silence is golden. Loose lips sink ships etc. etc.
Smartest thing this current FOP administration did was to bring back Hebert!
I would think before saying anything to those three agencies one would have representation provided by the union, even if they are there to be a witness to what was said.
if one doesn't have it, they can make anything.
And as the adage goes
The less you say the better off you are
When did dan get back?
And why would this be a surprise. Fellas just be prepared if you feel you or someone was in danger of a life and death situation by all means do what's necessary to justify your actions. Dont stand there with your thumb up your ass trying to figure out what should you do. When shit hits the fan make sure you go e to your families.
Please let there be a place in hell waiting for the racist, police hating barry, moochelle and the king racist holder.
Go to work and do nothing. Don't fall for "If you're out there working, we will have your back", or "If you are a worker, we will go to bat for you". No, they won't. Just show up, two personals, a lunch, and go home.
Years ago a Fed was snooping around and asking me pointed questions at a crime scene. I looked at him in silence and preceded to pass gas in a very audible fashion. I walked away never to be bothered again,
Thanks for posting. I'll pass this along to my crew!
Herbert is a stroke
I want to hear comments on this from the asshats who said the coppers in the Koschman case who got lawyers MUST be guilty.
Good advice.
excellent advice for anyone who is being questioned by police at any level.
talk to your lawyer first. always.
Holder going to Ferguson MO. Is a symbol that the DOJ is going to scalp cops if they can. THAT is the focus of the Feds
So if your retired the knock you will also get on the door will be "hello we're from the FBI and we are here to help you" why Chicago? Did rahm call them? Is this nationwide? Is holder behind this? Father flaky? Jesse "I gots no job" Jackson? Sharpton? Who? So if you were involved in a shooting and went through the entire process and it was cleared and justified is this for a civil rights type case? How many cases where a weapon is used but then some gang banger takes the weapon and runs from the scene with old boy dead? Copper clearly saw the weapon, just wow! Why anyone would want to be CPD today is beyond me!
Herbert is stand up guy and great lawyer. He is not afraid to tell someone to go f themselves if needed. I dont want some suckass representing me who will do anything for money. We deserve the best. Good job Dean bringing Herbert back.
Anonymous said...
Smartest thing this current FOP administration did was to bring back Hebert!
9/02/2014 01:26:00 AM
Dan, everyone knows you are an active participant on this forum. Stop patting yourself on the back here. You are an OK attorney with an arrogant attitude. I'd use you for a run of the mill CR, but not if I was looking at doing time. Congrats on getting your job back, but seriously, get some help before you go to battle the AUSAs.
Word of advice. DON'T EVER hire Dan Herbert as your legal counsel.
Anonymous said...
Years ago a Fed was snooping around and asking me pointed questions at a crime scene. I looked at him in silence and preceded to pass gas in a very audible fashion. I walked away never to be bothered again,
9/02/2014 05:11:00 AM
You're so cool.
Distance
Shielding
Movement.
Proper Weapon
Justification,
Do not take any unnecessary risk for these neighborhoods. They don't want your help. Remember, no one will ever help you.
Anonymous said...
I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
9/02/2014 12:17:00 AM
Those are the scariest words we will ever hear according to Ronald Maximus Reagan.
There is a reason that they come to your house instead of going through the department. Showing up to your house they may catch you after a few high balls and your judgement being impaired, then they tell you your rights but if you didn't do anything wrong you got nothing to hide. Then they tell you they already got someone to flip and take immunity, but you don't need immunity if you did nothing wrong.
Problem is everyone wants to be on the paper so they have a great selection of idiots to give different versions of events. And then my friend somebody, anybody is fucked and that is all they need
When they show up ask them if they have a warrant,
When they say no slam the door and call the lawyer. period as Harold would say!
"Please put your questions in writing and give them to my attorney."
Have a great day!
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
-Cardinal Richelieu
Shouldn't that racist Holder and the FBI be investigating ISIS agents that are here in the US? They showed there true worth when the World Trade Center was destroyed and the Feds showed their knowledge and preventive work ability. I guess white cops are easier, hey Eric!
Society has slowly but shirly been trying to demoralize and weaken law enforcement over many years, but now it's become very clear what they want. These are dangerous times for the police. Being proactive will only benefit a boss looking for further promotion and hurt the working cop. Remember, only PO's will be investigated by the justice department.
Regards is included at the end of the body of the statement....strange
From a lawyer who sues Chicago Police Officers and also represents them.
There u have it. Shoot someone with no gun, and Obama and Holder will come after you!
The Feds know all about the use of force. Ask the folks at Ruby Ridge or Waco.
Better Call Saul!
“since it is all but certain there may be multiple agents present.”
Classic Herbert line. It is all but certain this letter may be designed to make him more money (definitely (maybe)).
The cook county states attorney are involved in all police shooting so they will look equally bad
Slowly but shirley?
"Society has slowly but shirly been trying to demoralize and weaken law enforcement over many years, but now it's become very clear what they want. These are dangerous times for the police. Being proactive will only benefit a boss looking for further promotion and hurt the working cop. Remember, only PO's will be investigated by the justice department.
9/02/2014 09:01:00 AM"
Very true, and don't call me Shirly.
(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)
9/02/2014 08:14:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Years ago a Fed was snooping around and asking me pointed questions at a crime scene. I looked at him in silence and preceded to pass gas in a very audible fashion. I walked away never to be bothered again,
9/02/2014 05:11:00 AM
You're so cool.
9/02/2014 08:15:00 AM
You know what I thought so too when I did it.
This is a fucking Feeb witch hunt ordered by Holder.
From what we gather is a copper will get a knock at his door by these goofs because he was involved in a shooting in which he/she/it who was shot allegedly didn't have a firearm him/her/it self?
o_O? o_o? O_o?
Soooo...
A Copper drops shots to keep some off their meds loon (or other such)from vivisecting a family member or a passer by with a chunk of mirror glass and years after the fact they show up at a Copper's house to talk about it?
This is what these goofs are on about?
Why not just go ahead and drop any semblance of law and civility and just go ahead and break into the Copper's house and rummage through his kids underwear drawer?
This is some more of that bullshit Grand-Dad used to warn us kids about...
Also, don't these overpaid goofs know how FAST an offender's gun can disappear in one of these chaotic ghetto shooting scenes?
Shit... 20 years of law enforcement experience should be the rule before becoming a fed.
Nobody under 40 should be allowed to be a fed anyway.
A bunch of glorified children running around second guessing at leisure what the adults had a less than split second to decide.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“since it is all but certain there may be multiple agents present.”
Classic Herbert line. It is all but certain this letter may be designed to make him more money (definitely (maybe)).
9/02/2014 03:45:00 PM
Hey dip shoot !!!! No one said you had to use him or even call him. You get to do what ever you want
Dan, everyone knows you are an active participant on this forum. Stop patting yourself on the back here. You are an OK attorney with an arrogant attitude. I'd use you for a run of the mill CR, but not if I was looking at doing time. Congrats on getting your job back, but seriously, get some help before you go to battle the AUSAs.
9/02/2014 08:14:00 AM
AGREE!
If the feds want to talk to you just say OK. The pull out your phone, hit record and let them know that you are recording the whole conversation. More than likely they will just walk away.
I don't believe they would ever try to jam anyone up. They are here to help and that's a good thing.
Relax.
I talked to his office, and this is a routine reminder, based from routine review by the Bureau from a recent event.
That is all.
Any PO who talks to anybody about a shooting without legal representation needs their head checked. You don't need a lawyer to tell you that.
retired PO here who has been visited by the feds while employed
A couple of things.
One,they do come to your home.
Two They come in pairs because their policy says anyone with access to a firearm they send a two man team.
Three Another benefit of sending two agents is that each can be a witness against you in case you get charged with lying to the FBI which I think is a felony
Four An old timer once told me. "You cant listen yourself into trouble." And "If you dint say anything you can't say the wrong thing."
Five Best advice if you are visited by any law enforcement officer is to remember how the fish got caught. He opened his mouth.
Do not speak to them about anything If there is no warrant, politely decline the interview. And call FOP
Anonymous said...
Society has slowly but shirly been trying to demoralize and weaken law enforcement over many years, but now it's become very clear what they want. These are dangerous times for the police. Being proactive will only benefit a boss looking for further promotion and hurt the working cop. Remember, only PO's will be investigated by the justice department.
9/02/2014 09:01:00 AM
Don't call me shirly!
If the feds want to question you always answer back, not without an attorney present! always! and with your attorney present have him or her record the entire Q&A the feds will shit themselves, they will not do a Q&A with your attorney and a recording device present! be smart officers the lord knows dude be!
Never trust a fart, and much less a FED!
Be very careful my brothers and sisters in blue. These are very dangerous times for law enforcement. They are looking for someone to sacrifice upon the altar of political correctness.
" There is a reason that they come to your house instead of going through the department."
Yes, to avoid any drama at the CPD location. Why bother getting MF'd by a bunch of coppers who'd believe anything another copper told them?
Going to the homes of officers presents it's own problems, but your very own Department wants it that way. There is an unwritten agreement that Coppers will only be confronted at work as a last result. Name one copper in the last 10 years who was snatched at work by the Feds.
Im not Dan but I can yell you he knows his shit and isn't giving you bullshit in your cases. If u fuck up u deserve what u get. Just be honest and do whats right...
" There is a reason that they come to your house instead of going through the department."
Yes, to avoid any drama at the CPD location. Why bother getting MF'd by a bunch of coppers who'd believe anything another copper told them?
Going to the homes of officers presents it's own problems, but your very own Department wants it that way. There is an unwritten agreement that Coppers will only be confronted at work as a last result. Name one copper in the last 10 years who was snatched at work by the Feds.
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It's more than 10 years but Joe Miedz and Bobby Thorne were taken away from Homan square in bracelets. Now these were arrests, so any other cop snatched at work by the Feds would be a kidnaping or the cop is a rat.
Sounds like some bottom fishing by the Feds!
If it is legit shoot, what is the beef?
Years ago I wondered why I was told never to talk to an FBI agent, I was still on probation! I was told that two would come to my house, not to let them in, to say nothing and invoke my right to have an attorney present.
This turned out to be true and sage advice in the mid 1980's and is still true today. Don't ever try to out smart them. Much of what they ask you they already know the answers.
Yes, lying to a Federal agent is a felony. Unless Richard M Daley does it. That they excuse.
Captain Bogue from 023 was escorted out of work under arrest for child porn on the computer.....about 20 yrs ago....was allowed to retire........
"If it is legit shoot, what is the beef?
9/03/2014 08:19:00 AM"
There are just too many ways to answer this.
1) Your idea of legit may be vastly different from theirs;
2) Sometime, depending on whom they wish to bow to, "legit" means nothing to them;
3) They wish to give the appearance of the police lying.
And many more.
Have you learned nothing from the on-going shit in Ferguson?
or the cop is a rat.
9/03/2014 06:35:00 AM
I have always marveled at that term being bandied about by police officers. It's a mob term used by criminals about other criminals. Since I am not a criminal, and I do not want criminals on my job, I am fine with "rats".
While I am on the subject: the saggy pants around your ass signify that you are the woman in prison and are willing to be mounted. Makes me wonder when I see these idiots out there on the streets. The no belt homage nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Hey guys check out this article. It basically says that 93% of the time we are faced with a justified use of lethal force situation we DONT shoot.
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/june-2012/restraint-in-the-use-of-deadly-force
There are a few other interesting articles too.
Keep up the good work!
While I am on the subject: the saggy pants around your ass signify that you are the woman in prison and are willing to be mounted. Makes me wonder when I see these idiots out there on the streets. The no belt homage nonsense is just that, nonsense.
9/04/2014 05:46:00 AM
This is true, it gained a new life when promoted by Hollywood and the music industry. It is a subtle attempt to promote homosexuality too.
Herbert is a very bad attorney. Mishandled a case I hired him for.
Isn't he the one that almost got arrested over the Shields incident?
Hey dip shoot !!!! No one said you had to use him or even call him. You get to do what ever you want
Umm . . . No you can't. That's what they tell us and then they shepard all the cases to one guy. Ever wonder why he was canned in the first place. These guys smell mighty fishy.
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