40 Winks Catches 40 hours
Well, 42.5 under the 4-and-2.
Is he eligible for an appeal?
UPDATE: The reason everyone is complaining that this seems excessive is that most of us remember a certain west side commander who used to actually bring a pillow to work and we don't recall her ever taking a hit for anything she ever did....including running illegal First Amendment Investigations while at IAD.
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posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
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?????? 40 winks??
It's probably a SPAR since it was done so fast.
First you appeal to the Commander.
If no luck on that the Deputy Chief.
The SPAR wording calls it "lounging on duty".
Wow, five days because it went up on the internet? Really, it isn't like he brought a pillow and blankie and was curled up in a corner somewhere. The guy nodded off.
Five days is four days too many. Is there a kitty where I can send twenty bucks for him? Eh; never mind. I'll get it to him myself.
Somebody ought to mind what the infamous videographer does with his spare time. I'm sure there's something networthy that HE can go viral for, too.
That was fast
first prove he was sleeping. doing surveillance maybe or Praying ? Second thats a HUGE penalty which can be successfully appealed as excessive. A written reprimand unless he has a bad history. Then 1 day is fair.
So it sounds like he mediatied his case.
That's overkill.
In typical department, political fashion the department uses a sledgehammer where only a fly swatter was needed.
Media and political guinea pig.
No appear. The case was adjudicated in record speed. Mediation was the way to go. The department must have offered a five day suspension and the officer jumped on it. According to the mediation process, you waive your right to appear once you sign off on the agreed upon penalty. Good chance he had an attorney with him that gave him the nod.of approval. Lesson learned for all.
That sucks. Maybe next time he'll learn to go on the medical if he's too tired to come to work since they aren't letting anyone take time due.
How did he get suspended for 5 days so fast? Every time I got a C. R. and took time it took two years or more for anything to happen. Hits media and a few days later he's off? WTF. Furthermore why is he not doing like an attorney and challenging it? "Prove I was asleep."
If the investigation went that fast, he probably mediated which means he agreed to five days and can't appeal.
They won't hire officers so the few that there are work 60 hours a week. It's no wonder he's sleeping
Outrageous, this officer like myself, is able to nap at quiet times and then leap into action like a leopard or a king cobra.
I.A.D. can give out any amount of days,however,must be in secession,verbal,written,1,2,etc.Canand will be appealled,just takes time. Hard to prove officer was sleeping or ignoring camera.
Sounds like a big punishment for something so nominal....History of this? Or over zealous IPRA/IAD?
seems a little excessive to me but when you make the big guys look bad you invite some extra pain.
I get that it was a PR nightmare. But I think 5 days was a bit heavy handed.
Ummm....you dont appeal this if you have a brain. You sign on the accept line as fast as possible
Funny how if you are caught by an Inspector or any other supervisor sleeping you get a reprimand or "maybe" a day, but if it hits the news, you get 5 days.....grieve this and it will be turned back, has to be! Total Bullshit!!
It says he agreed to it in mediation, so no appeal. I thought discipline was supposed to be progressive? Since he agreed to 5 days, does that mean he has a past history or did they arbitrarily come up with that penalty so they could show they were punishing him?
Regardless, this is a safety issue. He deserves to be punished and should be happy the guy filming didn't want to kill him, but 5 days seems harsh..
..........and they think endless VRI (working days off) and the ten hour days isn't going to make this more common and therefore more dangerous for over tired officers?
Oh yeah, I forgot. The Superintendent and the Mayor don't really care.
How about the taxpayers, though? Do you all think you are getting the best bang for your buck with officers that are too tired to care about their safety much less yours?
Just so information is correct. It's only 40hrs. Time taken for spars,suspensions are 8 hrs not 8.5.
OT it appears from the lack of street riots , looting , 24/7 news coverage , no comments from political leaders , community race baiting activists that Black Lives only matter if the Black was a person that resisted arrest , running from police with a gun in his hand , beat a community neighborhood watch persons head into a sidewalk , robbed your neighborhood grocery store , attempted to disarm a police officer . Something is wrong with society . Black lives like that 81 year old woman , 7 year old boy and now a four year old girl matter to the Police Officers and Society that respects Police Officers .
Not a joke....was the officer in question ever tested for diabetes..he might have been having a low blood sugar event that caused him to temporarily pass out.Did any of the upstanding residents of Englewood think to call for medical assistance.?? I didn't think so..
Back in the day Barb West would have been taking five days every fifth day.
They do need to hire more officers. But someone bring that sleeping P.O. a cup a coffee. Plus that video guy, going into a vehicle, isn't that trespass to a vehicle?
I understand that we go to work tired, overworked, and with small amounts of energy but does that mean it's okay for you to fall asleep in the ghetto in public?
No one tells him to work vri or extra OT, he is lucky that man was only filming. That's why you need 10 hour days so you can have more rest. 5 days is a gift given the considerations. Could have been more. I suppose you can still use your comp time. Go to 3rd watch more sleep that way.
VRI is optional and to some extent so is VRE, how the hell are you gonna bring VRI into this. Endless VRI? Don't work it then and get your sleep at home instead of putting yourself in dangerous situation like this officer did. In a time when cops are getting assassinated in broad daylight and you guys are defending this officer, because he took "nap" in the middle of the day on a busy street like 63rd.
I witnessed commander Doty asleep, while sitting in on a Round Table investigation.
No appear. The case was adjudicated in record speed. Mediation was the way to go. The department must have offered a five day suspension and the officer jumped on it. According to the mediation process, you waive your right to appear once you sign off on the agreed upon penalty. Good chance he had an attorney with him that gave him the nod.of approval. Lesson learned for all.
5/23/2015 04:12:00 AM
"nod of approval"
No pun intended I presume!
"...a certain west side commander who used to bring a pillow to work..."
U.S. Postal Service trailer storage lot at 15th & Damen...
10 foot chain-link fence with a locking gate.
...She had a KEY to lock herself in so boys in the hood
couldn't get to her and feed her gun to her.
Plus she had friends down at OEMC because 1224 normally got sucked into ABLA a lot when anybody else but Barbie worked it... Not that there wasn't enough to do on -24 during those years anyway.
Some shit is a mystery.
Other shit not so much.
When the city finally eliminates 3rd watch, dumps Patrol to 10.5 hour days, puts a permanent brick on
any district bids/personnel movement between the months of May to October and continues to pressure
district management to deny officers their right to time
due when they feel tired and run-down?
You'll have even more instances of these non-working
government subsidy mules out hunting for parked squads to wave their "sail phones" at...
As far as Bring a Pillow to Work Barbie is concerned?
Everybody on the watch knew.
Even the supervisors.
Supervisors didn't say boo to her
so her status as a "protected person" was already
established.
He deserves to be fired! How dare he involuntarily succumb to a bodily function! Cops should not be allowed to defecate while on duty either. Hold it in and have your bowel movements on your own time!
Think of all the tax payer dollars that are literally flushed down the toilet. We don't pay high taxes so the police can spend it on the dang toilet "riding the brown line" while our children are being slaughtered in the streets!
Bowel movements while on duty is another example of an abuse of "white privilege". That's money that can be invested in Link cards so less fortunate people can further increase their body mass index.
There are numerous officers that work 2, even 3 side jobs - excluding VRI, then come to work exhausted. Cost of living here is pretty high, and consider how the city conducts wage negotiations and raises. They drag officers through years of delay and when they finally agree to a contract, it is menial at best. Officers have to provide for their families and put kids through college while waiting for that 1% raise that is pretty much negated after the city raises costs of permits, city stickers, taxes etc. Meanwhile, Rahmmie the commie gives his administrative staff 10-15% raises for shuffling paper and spinning his rolodex. The city cuts manpower throughout patrol then subsidizes the use of overworked and under-rested officers through the VRI program. Why are they acting like this is such a surprise to find an officer that fell asleep during a brief moment of quiet? If they keep pushing this penny pinching, do more with less agenda on the police department they better get used to seeing a lot more narcoleptic officers.
The guy should have had have been wearing one of those pairs of glasses with the eyes superimposed on them, makes you look wide awake. Just position your clipboard so that as you nod off and your head goes forward, look like you're doing paperwork.
Problem solved.
1-Day for sleeping and 4-days for being an example to others. This kid needs to take his lumps and get out of the spotlight fast. Let someone else be the heat sink - and oh, someone else will...
Not condoning but for cryin out loud. There is a certain point of the day for us older folks where it just hits you and you can barely keep your eyes open. In the interest of safety I am glad he decided not to be driving and wisely took a few winks.
So if that's worth 5 days, What is the punishment for being awop because you were locked up in Cicero for a dombat and baby momma said you were living out? I guess only two weeks at call back and back to the district you go
excessive, 110%! Why is thug not arrested, he said he "could of took his gun, Or coppers life,or cell phone" would that not be a threat? Aggravated assault against an officer? The most the officer should of got depending on his disciplinary history should of been a strong verbal reprimand! responding like this to the media causes the government media complex to look for more nonsense on coppers! Did you know they have a tip line and if you record coppers doing anything that can be misconstrued you get paid!
Really is scary hate to see if a copper really steps in it pathetic as usual! But the city leaders and so called police gold star club march to the medias beat doing as they are told!
How about this.... No VRI for 1 month. Boycott it.
Grieve it and it could be worse. Take the 5 and run. Get it back later and stay.safe!!!
He who is without sin cast the first stone.
Everyone else give a dollar to your watch rep and forward the cash to him to take a 5 day trip to someplace nice with the family.
P.S. Find a better place to go if you are too tired to drive.
Stay Safe.
I seem to recall some published pictures long ago of some of our famous or infamous Chicago Aldermen sleeping at City Counsel meetings.
You will probably never see that again because the newspapers fired all their photographers and the only pix seen are stately pix given out by the Rahm Press Machine. Anyone trying to shoot such a photo in the chamber will be immediately ousted.
I think he realized he is lucky to be alive and took his punishment even if it was a bit much.
They wanted to give him 10 days,it was mediated to 5, he can use cu if he wants, this was a heater case,when the mayor is asked about it you know your taking a hit,we have all done it,but he picked a bad place to do it.
I'm long retired but I thought that discipline was a tired system that started with a verbal reprimand and went up from there. Has that changed?
Should have gone to a private area to pray. I'm just sayin.
OFF TOPIC
More good news !
Random Drug Testing now open on weekends ...
ABCD
ABCD(Ret)
f that some citizen video 5 days
in house a reprimand total bs
bet you that copper will have his eyes wide open but won't see any crime in the ghetto
Wow! What happens in the case you really do something wrong? This thug made embarrassing or attempting to embarrass police a game! The reaction from bosses (but then again we have a glee club with gold stars) should of been ok we will look into it, talk to the copper give him a verbal "does do it again" not that the thugs know they can cost honest dejected coppers more grief what do you think will happen boss? Another over reaction? As always the police are to blame!
(OT) violent crime surges in Baltimore post riot!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/23/violent-crime-surges-as-arrests-drop-in-baltimore-post-riots/?intcmp=latestnews
You mean with mayor no clue orders police to stand down and then her pal states attorney "what's up" rushes to charge police and piles on ludicrous charges they expected crime to diminish! Where's the "spike in crime" protests?
Seems a little excessive. A few years back there was that guy who got caught sleeping in the 7-11 lot in 20 while his partner was getting something. Some guy filmed it on his phone and put it on you tube. Even got a little news coverage, maybe not 775k hits. That guy took a day. You would need to follow the spar matrix, 5 days seems like a lot. Unless they went with bring discredit on the department as an add on.
Not a cop ... but I must admit that I fall asleep at my desk at work all the time. Sometimes I'm REAL glad I'm not a cop! This seems like an unfairly harsh punishment. Hope the owner of the company where I work doesn't see this!
Another example how fast the department will throw you under the bus.
I'll be sending 20 his way. He took the hit and let the bad press die.
If any supervisor in 8 had any balls, they would've initiated a spar as soon as they knew this happened, made the penalty a reprimand and finalized it. That way punishment has been levied and another punishment can't be handed down.
You think this is the first time this ever happened? The officer will take the 5 days, then grieve it and then he'll probably wind up getting some if not all of those days back as 5 days for this is absolutely crazy. But ... necessary as it went viral. The public is happy; "justice" was done and it will be forgotten like everything else. No media covering the subsequent grievance procedure.
He was down on lunch so he is on his own time anyway. But 5 days? WTF! Outrageous! But again watch out where you doze off Officers.
Is the CPD going back to the crown cap only? Can it be worn with cargo pants? Heard this and hope it's just a bad rumor.
Trust me, I got stuck working with her as a recruit. She always bragged about it was the best thing she bought as a police officer.
tactical eye resting....40 hours is excessive.Written reprimand at best.
If you got caught by old bitch Daley sleeping infant of her house while her son stole pension money as mayor is was a day!!!! Media controls discipline now BULLSHIT!!!
40 winks?
5 days is a gift considering the circumstances.
Seems a little excessive. A few years back there was that guy who got caught sleeping in the 7-11 lot in 20 while his partner was getting something. Some guy filmed it on his phone and put it on you tube. Even got a little news coverage, maybe not 775k hits. That guy took a day. You would need to follow the spar matrix, 5 days seems like a lot. Unless they went with bring discredit on the department as an add on.
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I think discredit to the police department is an understatement. it made us look like fools. If it was just for sleeping then yes it was kneejerk reaction and they gave him excessive time. im no angel and have screwed up... alot. im at about 23 days of suspension time in my career of 19 years. most for stuff that I could have avoided... so im not throwing stones. live and learn and lesson learned. no biggie, now we all move on and its done. office, just enjoy your time off.. this kinda crap happens, just makes us all look like fools but we usually somehow do that on a daily basis.
Good thing he wasn't working with the creep from 003 who likes to rub his partners' legs!
Thia from our moron superintendent who defends being 3000 police officers sort and then letting coppers work themselves to death trying to make enough OT to pay their kids tuition by telling the news "Hey, they volunteer to do it". Maybe if Rahm and the state weren't iguring every way to screw us out of every penny they can we would have to work 3 jobs to raise a middle class family. Sorry A-Hole I was tired but had to work another VRI day to pay for the RE taxes that fund the schools I can't send my kid to.
Judge Leo Holt used to fall asleep at murder trials. No joke.
Remember the story of how some guy was dead at his desk at work for five days before anyone noticed.
Five days? Five days? an exempt just got ten days for harassing a fellow female....and that act had intent..... serious intent.....and. 0 days for washing out that child's mouth with soap. They merit promoted her.......Granted for this more recent act she did get transferred to boot but I'm sure this guy could take a transfer to a north west side district like she did. Clouted....clouted has anyone else noted the disparity in punishment.
Dyla Hata
First I want to publicly thank the anonymous West Side Citizen who some years ago when I closed my eyes staring at that damn computer in my squad car asked, "Are you all right, Officer."
I thanked him then and thank-you and God Bless you again whoever you are.
He was a righteous citizen not like the J.O. who wanted to ruin a Police Officer.
A neighbor and friend of mine, a Firefighter made this suggestion. Have ever copper in the city take a photo of themselves working and sleeping and then publish them. A real twisted sense of humor, I like that.
This would be great.
Hundreds if not thousands of possibilities.
Not just in squad cars, but in offices, in closets, locker rooms and break rooms. How about in the trunk of a squad car, or a crib.
God knows I have had people doze off at Roll Call.
Got a Lazy Boy or Serta dealer on you beat, go for a test nap.
There's always the park bench and maybe you can even find a hammock.
Somebody has got to be able to pose sleeping upside down.
Stay Safe. Maybe SCC can run a Photo Contest, Lord knows we need a good laugh.
Robots and drones are the answer.
It's like taking a day for not shaking McCarty hand
It is a form of gender and racial discrimination because he is a male white. Plain and simple.
As far as Bring a Pillow to Work Barbie is concerned?
Everybody on the watch knew.
Even the supervisors.
Supervisors didn't say boo to her
so her status as a "protected person" was already
established.
5/23/2015 12:42:00 PM
The irony here is that the Superintendent's star pupil is best known for this. It's her signature police power!
....but what the hell, moral is at an all time high.
Sorry but I'm not buying the too tired to work thing. If he is ill or sick so be it. But if your that tired or sick to fall asleep in the shit hole neighborhood then you have a problem. Rockwell from 71st to 55th has been the fucking killing fields for a decade over there. Take the punishment and consider yourself lucky one of those jag offs didn't shoot you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If any supervisor in 8 had any balls, they would've initiated a spar as soon as they knew this happened, made the penalty a reprimand and finalized it. That way punishment has been levied and another punishment can't be handed down.
5/23/2015 10:01:00 PM
Hey dickhead, The CL# was ordered by IAD
I certainly hope if it was mediated he asked the union about it. Maximum on a SPAR is three days and it's progressive. But the 'out' with the spar system is nothing prevents them from getting a CR number instead. Still, comp and disc. history must be taken into account. Sorry it made the news, but, does the punishment fit the crime? Glad no one had a camera when I fell asleep for a couple light changes on midnites working 99.
Don’t know if true or not but heard the reason Random Drug/Alcohol is now testing on Saturdays is because of this incident can someone confirm???
take the 5 days
next month 10 days medical and call it even
some jobs would fire you for sleeping at work
SPARS cannot go up to 5 days. It had to be a C.R.
why dont people start filming welfare abusers driving cadillac's or with their iphones and with all their government bought stuff or just the way they act in public.
This officer did not commit a criminal act and there was no intent! 5 days is the officer has no history is way too much!
Maybe he wanted a week off ?
If any supervisor in 8 had any balls, they would've initiated a spar as soon as they knew this happened, made the penalty a reprimand and finalized it. That way punishment has been levied and another punishment can't be handed down.
5/23/2015 10:01:00 PM
Has nothing to do w balls. By the time a supv. In 008 saw it. It had already gone viral days before. Not everyone is checking you tube and Facebook to track every minute thing people do in their lives. You are right that had it had been caught in time this may have been done - guess what he screwed up - no big deal - he's going to get punished - but I totally agree 5 days is too much - BUT he signed off on it to make it just go away. Soon - something else will take its place - but don't blame it on the supervisors.
Seems a little excessive. A few years back there was that guy who got caught sleeping in the 7-11 lot in 20 while his partner was getting something. Some guy filmed it on his phone and put it on you tube. Even got a little news coverage, maybe not 775k hits. That guy took a day. You would need to follow the spar matrix, 5 days seems like a lot. Unless they went with bring discredit on the department as an add on.
Spar Matrix? It was a CL number. Not a Spar.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another example how fast the department will throw you under the bus.
5/23/2015 08:56:00 PM
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I feel bad for this guy, sometimes the eyes are hard to keep open.
That said, the above post strikes me in a way. I read the blog fairly regularly, and I see a lot of comments where commentator'so blast joe citizen for blaming his dumb and criminal acts on society, his lack of education, no daddy, no money blah blah. Everating is someone else's fault.
The department threw him under the bus? Did you see the video? He's sleeping, in uniform, in a marked car in daylight on a main street. Has everyone forgotten the two NYPD officers murdered as they ate lunch? There was another one today in New Orleans. He could have been murdered.
Maybe, just maybe he decided, hey, I fucked up. Give me the 5 days. I deserve it. I made the whole Department look bad. Maybe he just looked in the mirror and said, this one's on me.
Everyone, please. Stop with the excuses. He fucked up.
jesus christ, the guy was sleeping on the job! Ask around to your family and friends and find out what would have happened to them had they done the same at their job...they would have been fired. That unprofessional fool made the rest of us look bad at a time when we did not need anymore negative publicity. We are our own worst enemy and on top of that we make excuses for our behavior rather than own up to it and rectify it. Think back to a street stop when you would just wish the guy would just admit wrong doing instead of making excuses and lying to your face. How did that make you feel? how do you think it makes the public feel? All the would be defenders of this police officer who made a mistake need to let him take his medicine. It could have been worse, need i remind everyone that New York Officers were gunned down while wide awake..he's lucky the worst he came across was joe shithead.
Sounds like a raw deal but then, it depends on the clout "scale of justice" and not not the real "scale of justice".
If you were clouted, (like this woman you talk about, Barb West), justice looks the other way. (Even on multiple infractions)
But, for the unclouted, it's "Hurry up and sign on the dotted line, or who knows how far this can go?" Justice is swift and unforgiving.
Where is FOP? Shouldn't they be putting up some protest, even if it is "just for show" just to make it look like they are earning all the dues they collect?
Funny how things work in Chicago. Funny, if you're clouted. But not so funny, if you are not.
Next case.
Could have also been hit with a Rule 2.
A bit of Trivia...
Alfred Nobel, inventor of Dynamite also invented a one-legged stool to keep his worker awake in his explosives factory.
I suppose we will be seeing those at district desks, and if they could work that into a drivers seat...
"just makes us all look like fools but we usually somehow do that on a daily basis".
5/24/2015 12:04:00 AM
Speak for yourself.
The bigger story here is why they waste manpower having a stationary post for months on end. This does nothing to curb overall crime in the district.
Anonymous said...
jesus christ, the guy was sleeping on the job! Ask around to your family and friends and find out what would have happened to them had they done the same at their job...they would have been fired. That unprofessional fool made the rest of us look bad at a time when we did not need anymore negative publicity. We are our own worst enemy and on top of that we make excuses for our behavior rather than own up to it and rectify it. Think back to a street stop when you would just wish the guy would just admit wrong doing instead of making excuses and lying to your face. How did that make you feel? how do you think it makes the public feel? All the would be defenders of this police officer who made a mistake need to let him take his medicine. It could have been worse, need i remind everyone that New York Officers were gunned down while wide awake..he's lucky the worst he came across was joe shithead.
5/24/2015 10:36:00 PM
What is your point. The officer quickly admitted he made a bad mistake and quickly accepted his punishment. I know of many officers that have fallen victim to extreme fatigue but were never caught. We are not machines. I hope his supervisors also considered if there are other reasons that caused his extreme fatigue. He might need help. What do you want? I pound of flesh? This officer has to live with the knowledge he might have been shot in that situation. Leave it alone and move on.
Made one of my best busts when I snuck off to listen to the end of the World Series. Dozed off and woke up to hear some guys talking about good shit. Got out, walked around the corner and found a van loaded with marijuana. "Where'd you come from?," one of the dealers asked. I said, "Let's just say I stepped out of a dream."
5 days? That ain't nothing, get back to me when you get a 180 day suspension or more......
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